Cranny and schweizer

Problem is is that they were not racing. They were running but were never a part of the 5k race.

*stipe wrote:

afdfadsf wrote:

I think Schweizer will be the top American in the 10000 and will place higher than she did here; I'm guessing 5th to 8th is where she'll finish.

I don't think so. She couldn't run 15:00 pace 5k pace for 10 minutes (whatever the reason). Sisson displayed that she could handle the heat and grind a fast pace with or without a pacer.

Hiiya will make sure the pace is honest. She is Japanese and is used to the conditions, she recently ran 30:17 by herself and she is not afraid to lead. She will do the Africans a big favor by dropping most of the field. I hope she rewards herself with a bronze medal.

Pain in the heel wrote:

No food trucks in the Olympic village.

That was Shelby Houlihan, They are different people.

I definitely do think that Cranny & Schweizer gave it their best, however that's not the issue here. No one is thinking that they didn't even try because clearly they were both spent after that race. But, more so how can we make sure that our athletes are well prepared enough? Because Cranny & Schweizer are both extremely talented where they can be top 10 or at least be in the top pack for longer than they were today but it looked like the heat and the type of race were not what they were accustomed to. It seems they needed to do more heat/humidity training (rather than just 10 days in Hawaii right before coming to Tokyo. I mean, they spent basically 3 months up in altitude which is not indicative of what they'll be racing in) as well as focus less on time trials in perfect conditions and more on racing the world's top talent. I mean, Sifan gets spanked in some of her early season races when she's not at top level fitness yet, but she's out there racing the world's best and getting better at racing in different conditions (slow/tactical, weather differences, pushing hard from the front, etc).

Anyways it does not make sense, Schweizer runs 14:26 in a low key meet, and is struggling when the pace is about 15:00 minute pace in the meet everyone is supposed to be peaked for.

SPNKY wrote:

Seriously. I didn't know they both pulled in six figures! Wow.

And I agree with op they didn't appear to ever be in the mix or were stressing themselves in any way. Did Cranny PR? You would think that they would at least use the opportunity to be pulled to one.

Do all these athletes make 6 figures even if not competitive on a world scale?

I mean I can understand Jager and Simpson and Centro make this much but these two,, I'm surprised.

Seriously doubt they're are pulling in six figures. I say $70K tops. Maybe with some race wins with prize purses, it can add up over 100K depending on the year.

douglas burke wrote:

Anyways it does not make sense, Schweizer runs 14:26 in a low key meet, and is struggling when the pace is about 15:00 minute pace in the meet everyone is supposed to be peaked for.

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it's like you people have never run a race before. do you generally PR in 90% humidity?

Wise Old Man wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

I think they actually ran well. 14:55 at 85 degrees and 90% humidity is worth well faster. Probably not a PR effort for Schweizer but certainly the best 5000 Cranny has ever run all things considered. She can probably go 14:30 low later this year if she chases it in good conditions.

So an existential question for nearly all American distance runners....what's the point? If your best is so far off a global medal, and you have no chance of every closing the talent gap, why bother? There are probably easier ways to earn a living.

Wow. You seem as pleasant as a festering boil.

MAGAtothebitterend wrote:

When are we going to have someone come and dominate like Kipchoge, Hassan, Bekele, etc. and finally make distance running in USA great again?

It won't happen, same as the USA's chances 'becoming great again'

Wise Old Man wrote:

your move douchebag wrote:

Whats the point of you ever running? You can't even run as fast as the girls can.

Ok, my post was sort of obnoxious. They both great for American distance runners, and they can spend their time and lives as they wish and earn a living any way they want. And no, I certainly cannot run as fast as Cranny or Schweizer and never could, but I also did not choose to become a pro and devote my life to running.

Oh my. I need to know which incel is behind this keyboard ASAP hahahahahahah.

Bruh... aside from Kenya and Ethiopia, can you name another country who doesn't have the same struggle to dominate on the world stage? This is what you get with truly global competition. If you need 'Merica to win every time, watch more American football or lacrosse or tractor pulling And stay the hell away from soccer, cuz if winning the World Cup every four years is your standard, you're in for a surprise.

douglas burke wrote:

Anyways it does not make sense, Schweizer runs 14:26 in a low key meet, and is struggling when the pace is about 15:00 minute pace in the meet everyone is supposed to be peaked for.

yeah it also didn’t make sense that Tsegay ran 14:13 in a random meet in June, but struggled to close and only ran a 14:38 today in the meet she was supposed to be peaking for.

SPNKY wrote:

Seriously. I didn't know they both pulled in six figures! Wow.

And I agree with op they didn't appear to ever be in the mix or were stressing themselves in any way. Did Cranny PR? You would think that they would at least use the opportunity to be pulled to one.

Do all these athletes make 6 figures even if not competitive on a world scale?

I mean I can understand Jager and Simpson and Centro make this much but these two,, I'm surprised.

If a completely ordinary software engineer like myself or thousands of others can easily make six figures, is it really that strange that the best female distance runners in the country make that?

douglas burke wrote:

Anyways it does not make sense, Schweizer runs 14:26 in a low key meet...

I think it makes perfect sense. That "low key meet" was a TT designed to allow Schweizer and Houlihan to run as fast as their fitness allowed. It's hard to imagine more ideal conditions. The weather was great. There was no crowd. Everyone on the track was a team mate. Houlihan was there to pace her. And so on.

Given the extraordinary conditions in that race, nobody should be surprised if Schweitzer never runs that fast again.

Before you write off American distance runners let’s see how Coburn does in the 3,000 steeplechase.

Well, Rupp was estimated to earn $750,000 by the letsrun experts in 2018; Schweizer is no. 16 all-time over 5000, 3rd Caucasian (only Shobukhova and Houlihan were 3 seconds faster). Some 150,000 - 200,000 wouldn't surprise me, and Cranny isn't far behind.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/09/pro-runners-salaries-much-professional-runners-make-unveil-one-sports-biggest-secrets/

Simpson $590,00

Jager $250,000

Efraimson $166,600

That's only the main contract, extra wins and commercials not included.

Jerry/BTC have addressed this exact question. Their version of events is that Houlihan was with a group of BTC runners when she was first notified of her positive test and she told them about it at that time. Then, Houlihan spoke with Jerry, her lawyer, and others who asked them all to keep quiet. So, the athletes who were present at the time knew of the positive test immediately. Those who were not present did not. It's unclear who was in which group, but it's not surprising that Infeld was not, as she has been away from the rest of the team much of the time and doesn't appear to be close with Houlihan socially.

To me, the biggest unanswered question is still why the Athletics Integrity Unit did not immediately disclose the positive test and resulting suspension, as they typically do when an athlete appeals an atypical finding. Was the AIU forced to stay quiet, and if so, by who? Did Nike pressure the AIU and, if so, did they also pressure the BTC's other athletes who were aware of the positive test and suspension? Why did the BTC lie about Houlihan's status for so long?

Eventually, news of the positive test leaked from someone, as Gault was made aware and asked around. Who leaked that news and why? Houlihan mysteriously pulled out of various races that she was not, as it turns out, allowed to compete in. Were USATF aware of the suspension? What was the purpose of all this mystery? It must have put a lot of stress on the individuals involved, even if they believe Houlihan is innocent. If the AIU had followed their typical protocol, there would have been no secrets to keep.

JlTahoe wrote:

Before you write off American distance runners let’s see how Coburn does in the 3,000 steeplechase.

Coburn is doped to hell and back so I don't see how that's relevant.

RunRaider wrote:

To me, the biggest unanswered question is still why the Athletics Integrity Unit did not immediately disclose the positive test and resulting suspension, as they typically do when an athlete appeals an atypical finding.

Here is the official answer:

“We publicly disclose every case”, said an AIU spokesperson. “Sometimes the timing varies, depending on the nature of the case, for example in cases involving specified substances or contamination. After the finding in January, we had to wait for an explanation, which then had to be verified and assessed before issuing a charge. This took time.

“In this case, the notice of charge was issued on 12/13 May, two or three weeks ahead of an agreed expedited hearing at CAS. We made a judgment call that an announcement before the CAS Decision was not in anybody’s interest.”

Sounds fishy though, as the policy is to announce provisional decisions too, meaning the announcement should have come in January, five months before CAS (also included in that link).

Whatever the official reason, we now know that the silent bans are back, at least for a couple of months.