Cranny and schweizer

Good performance from Cranny, about where I would have expected her to be. I expected Schweizer to place better after her amazing 2020 season...

These races definitely don't help the 2019-2020 doping suspicions...

Webber Grill wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

So an existential question for nearly all American distance runners....what's the point? If your best is so far off a global medal, and you have no chance of every closing the talent gap, why bother? There are probably easier ways to earn a living.

A) how do you know what you can or cannot do if you don't try?

B) if you qualified for an Olympic event and had the chance to participate, why wouldn't you want that experience?

C) they're getting paid to do what they love. They'll have plenty of time later in life to get "real jobs"

+100000000000000000

After Park City they trained in Hawaii.

wassanwead wrote:

Webber Grill wrote:

A) how do you know what you can or cannot do if you don't try?

B) if you qualified for an Olympic event and had the chance to participate, why wouldn't you want that experience?

C) they're getting paid to do what they love. They'll have plenty of time later in life to get "real jobs"

+100000000000000000

That + this applies to pretty much everything...

* Not the best programmer in the world? What's the point, why waste your time?

* Jeez... you weren't able to get tenure at Harvard, why even bother being a professor?

The idiocy on this site astounds me. People who are lucky enough to make a living doing something they love, are talented at and passionate about should be commended.

emr0129 wrote:

There was a recent podcast with Schweizer where she said she had a tough time not having Shelby in races and workouts. I think she took the ordeal especially hard because she used Shelby to pace her, etc. She had said many times in the past that she attributes a lot of her success to Shelby. I think it's natural for her to take a dip in performance. Infeld kind of slammed Jerry in her recent podcast (in the sense that he's a poor communicator and he overtrained them). I think Jerry has some strengths as a coach, but I think a lot of his team ends up overtrained and injured throughout the season. I have to say, the NB women seem stronger and ready to go in Tokyo and they had a lot less injuries than our friends at BTC.

Infeld also said in that same podcast that half the team knew of Shelby's bust when it happened but the other half were not told about it until the day before it was released to the public. She did not know until the day before and would not confirm which teammates knew from the beginning. It does make one wonder if some of these BTC runners with decreased performances since the start of 2021 were the same teammates who knew about the bust since it happened. And it also makes one wonder why certain teammates were told but others were not....

Not a poor effort if they did their best but poor placement. Whether you finish 4th or last you are out of the only 3 places that matter.

I guess without the special burrito BTC isn't much. Sad because you should be able to win clean.

flyingfrog wrote:

Realistically the only way to stand on the podium is to dope and the US anti-doping guys would have to look the other way or help their athletes avoid proper testing like they do in small island countries.

That's basically what USADA has been doing with giving out warning calls ahead of their tests, so the athletes could decide whether to start overhydrating or masking or shopping, depending on their glowing status. And the USADA accepting all kinds of I-ate-a-burrito excuses like kissing or beef eating certainly was helpful too.

Not surprisingly it was AIU coming to the US to nail Houlihan and Coleman.

flyingfrog wrote:

Really they just need more divisions. Clean division, Doped division, Intersexed/trans/ division. Imagine the possibilities for marketing. Dopers division brought to you by Dow Chemicals. And the trans division brought to you by Skittles - taste the rainbow.

That would indeed be interesting. But I suppose most athletes will prefer the Clean division, and then continue doping.

Karissa is a bit down this year from her 14:26 shape, clearly. She hasn't had her teammate to push her. Cranny was the one pushing to bring them back to the pack after they were dropped several times. She looks stronger. But the bottom line is that in order to compete in these warm weather global championships, our athletes have to not only continue to close the gap in time trial style races but train and acclimate in advance of championships in stifling conditions such as we often face in the championships. Drug authorities also need to start testing Ethiopians and crack down on Jos Hermens and his operations.

BekeleKip wrote:

They weren't even in the fight for best Non-African. They are good at cool weather time trials in the Pacific Northwest. Throw them in a meet that matters in summer heat and humidity. No answers. None.

Same with the men. Outside of Grant Fisher, the BTC folks totally collapse in the most important race of their careers.

Probably because Schumacher is a terrible coach.

Fredricoland wrote:

[quote]MAGAtothebitterend wrote:

So when we get 0 medals in these games in any distance events are the fans just supposed to congratulate them on "a good effort" and leave it at that? This is a great example of why T&F cannot breakthrough in the mainstream here in USA... We're just supposed to be satisfied with mediocre results on the worlds biggest stage and continue supporting and lifting them up in the media when all these distance runners get their asses handed to them.

They shouldn't even expect a contract without a medal at world championships or olympics, that's how it is for East Africans and makes them the best!

I do believe Miss Emma will prove you wrong.

I think Schweizer will be the top American in the 10000 and will place higher than she did here; I'm guessing 5th to 8th is where she'll finish.

LetsRun26.2anon wrote:

Get off the vegan life style! The more people that hammer the Whole Food Plant Based (WFPB) eating. The more that I think that the WFPB athletes are closer to the truth than the meat eating robots who can only listen to the corporate meat industry advertising giants pushing their profit agendas! Meat, fish, milk, and processed foods are making the world fat, sick and dumb, but please go ahead continue your toxic consumption of those products.

That is completely true. The Tennessee Titans, Morgan Mitchell, Elijah Hall, Alex Morgan, Willams sisters all prove that you can be at the top of your game as a vegetarian. Hands down healthier than meat and dairy.

When the burrito hit the fan, the Nike offalists had to abstain from their PEDs.

A grim fairy tale ensued.

Some remained testable for varying lengths of time. This had to do with new testing sensitivities and methods. It’s also how it works with steroids. The clearance time might say x days but 120 days later, you can still test positive for metabolites. Depends on the substance and the test. This one caught them all by surprise - they’d been assured it didn’t test or it ‘couldn’t’ test (‘it mimics your body’s natural blahblahblah’). Or that the pork burrito defense would be a winner.

By June, there was a long list of vaguely injured Nike athletes forgoing their Olympic trials. Not just in the US. Lots of sob stories on Instagram about healing and needing time and deep sadness, all expressions rarely associated with the consumption of PEDs or pork burritos. Up to you if it’s all believable.

And it was the AIU doing the testing, not the more compliant USADA or other NF.

So no surprise the performances are where they are, except for those who somehow escaped the Big Burrito Scare.

afdfadsf wrote:

I think Schweizer will be the top American in the 10000 and will place higher than she did here; I'm guessing 5th to 8th is where she'll finish.

I don't think so. She couldn't run 15:00 pace 5k pace for 10 minutes (whatever the reason). Sisson displayed that she could handle the heat and grind a fast pace with or without a pacer.

Get off the vegan life style! The more people that hammer the Whole Food Plant Based (WFPB) eating. The more that I think that the WFPB athletes are closer to the truth than the meat eating robots who can only listen to the corporate meat industry advertising giants pushing their profit agendas! Meat, fish, milk, and processed foods are making the world fat, sick and dumb, but please go ahead continue your toxic consumption of those products.[/quote]

That is completely true. The Tennessee Titans, Morgan Mitchell, Elijah Hall, Alex Morgan, Willams sisters all prove that you can be at the top of your game as a vegetarian. Hands down healthier than meat and dairy.[/quote]

You forgot Djokovic, Tom Brady and Carl Lewis.

I think they ran about what they were capable of given the conditions. It is an unfortunate reality that US runners are not on a par with African runners in the longer distance events (especially in hot weather). Would be interesting to see what the race results would look like running in Oregon outdoors in January.

https://news.stanford.edu/2012/08/29/cooling-glove-research-082912/

The conditions were extremely tough, but they were falling off the back halfway through and were never even close to being in the race. That shouldn't have been the case given Schweizer's PR and Cranny's recent performances. I don't blame them for it. Their best teammate got busted for doping and a bunch of others have jumped ship or been pushed out. The quality of their coaching seems suspect at best. Seems like a terrible, emotionally draining environment to train in. Doesn't make me optimistic about Frerichs' chances in the steeple final, but maybe she can salvage what has otherwise been a complete disaster of a year for the BTC women's group.

Fredricoland wrote:

MAGAtothebitterend wrote:

So when we get 0 medals in these games in any distance events are the fans just supposed to congratulate them on "a good effort" and leave it at that? This is a great example of why T&F cannot breakthrough in the mainstream here in USA... We're just supposed to be satisfied with mediocre results on the worlds biggest stage and continue supporting and lifting them up in the media when all these distance runners get their asses handed to them.

They shouldn't even expect a contract without a medal at world championships or olympics, that's how it is for East Africans and makes them the best!

Idiot. Do you remember Rio? SEVEN Olympic distance medals for the US.

Do I need to remind you of them or were you still in middle school then.

All of those medals coming from Nike-sponsored systematic doping.

It was not that fast but Frerichs looked good in the steeple prelim. This is going to be a more contested race and around 7-8 women have almost equal chances to medal but I would expcet Frerichs to be much closer to the action than her teammates were in the 5k.