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Nijel Amos IN THE FINAL
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animaxcg wrote:
Star wrote:
Jewett passed Amos on the outside on the turn and got in front of him cleanly cutting in.
Then immediately, Amos tried to move outside and go back around Jewett.
That's where the contact happened.
Jewett didn't cut in too soon.
Amos cut out too soon.
Not a foul, though.
He moved out because he got cut off.. its that or spike the crap out of Jewett... Amos
Amos didn’t get cut off. He was passed. And he tried to pass him back.
This is racing.
People try so hard to find blame with everything.
It was incidental contact that happens in racing.
No one should have been advanced. -
How in the heck are you dumb hillbillies missing the contact between Jewett and Tuka???
There are slow motion videos about this.
Some of you need a whipping.
You seriously do. -
Hghhh wrote:
Sheesh just watched the plain ole NBC feed. It's blindingly obvious. Jewett clipped Amos. Neither was at fault. The officials were, however, at fault. Why on earth was Amos reinstated? What about all the other numerous similar incidents in the Olympics over history? They didn't get reinstated!
Bias aside.
Amos didn't finish because Jewetts body became an obstacle in his path, bringing him down. Not because he was clipped. And not because he clipped Jewett. He ran into an obstacle.
Jewett, meanwhile, ran into no onebstacle, which technically, per the rules, is the same as pulling out of collapsing.
The rules are technical and not subjective for a reason. More like a soccer ref deciding between a handball and a ball to hand. " If a players arms are in an unnatural position..." Regardless of whether the player intended to obstruct the ball or not, or whether it was from behind, or didn't see it; it's a handball if the hands are extended in an unnatural position.
Same on track. If a runner runs into an obstacle, he deserves justice. If a runner falls with no obvious and illegal impediment, that's part of racing and deserves no reinstatement.
HOW HARD IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND? -
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
ceccione wrote:
Isiah did not cut in aggressively. It was gradual and respectful. He THOUGHT he was clear. But he did cut in on Amos.
But ALSO, Amos decided to move to the outside at the same time. They crossed each other in passing. ​
This one was so close... horrible luck.
I wish they both could advance. Here's a slow mo video from behind to see their crossing movements..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlQFkBrZADs
That's a great video - can you point out at any point where it appears like Amos appears impeded (signs would be a shortening/chopping of the stride, him standing up, arms moving differently etc etc) - because I see none. That's because it was as innocuous a pass as possible. You then clearly see the crazy unlucky timing when Jewetts foot perfectly hits the upper shin of Amos - but this is absolutely neither athletes fault. So really nothing should happen - that is elite racing. But if anybody is getting a pass into the final it's the guy in front because at this point he is ahead, legally and has the right to hold his position.
Amos fell because Jewetts body blocked his path. That's the impediment.
Jewett was not DQd because he did not violate rules, and the initial contact was deemed part of racing. His coming down was not, per the rules, anyone's fault. Amos coming down was because his path was blocked. That's the difference. -
vella48 wrote:
Hghhh wrote:
Sheesh just watched the plain ole NBC feed. It's blindingly obvious. Jewett clipped Amos. Neither was at fault. The officials were, however, at fault. Why on earth was Amos reinstated? What about all the other numerous similar incidents in the Olympics over history? They didn't get reinstated!
Bias aside.
Amos didn't finish because Jewetts body became an obstacle in his path, bringing him down. Not because he was clipped. And not because he clipped Jewett. He ran into an obstacle.
Jewett, meanwhile, ran into no onebstacle, which technically, per the rules, is the same as pulling out of collapsing.
The rules are technical and not subjective for a reason. More like a soccer ref deciding between a handball and a ball to hand. " If a players arms are in an unnatural position..." Regardless of whether the player intended to obstruct the ball or not, or whether it was from behind, or didn't see it; it's a handball if the hands are extended in an unnatural position.
Same on track. If a runner runs into an obstacle, he deserves justice. If a runner falls with no obvious and illegal impediment, that's part of racing and deserves no reinstatement.
HOW HARD IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND?
Jesus Christ, how the hell is this still an issue. Jewett was tripped by Amos and then fell and brought him down. All video shows it. Jewett didn’t fall by himself. His foot was clearly kicked and it hit his leg and he went down like all of us would. Put them both back in the final and all is well. -
Pretty obvious to me Amos tripped Jewett and then Amos took a dive.
It's a shame because I think Jewett would contend for a bronze.
Not sure why Amos got into the final. -
sdfdsfsdfsdf wrote:
Seriously? The fall happened at 650m. So Amos was inside 110m before that? And that proves that 110m later, when you can clearly see Jewett taking multiple strides with no contact to Amos, that Jewett cut in on Amos? What I see is Jewett running clean on the rail, then Amos slightly moving outside and clipping Jewett's foot. Not Amos' fault really, but it was him changing position when the contact happened.
Have you ever run a race? When you move to the rail, if you get in cleanly the position is yours. If you're behind and let someone move in on you, you have to slightly back off to move outside if you want to go around. It appears that Amos misjudged the huge length of Jewett's stride.
And to the other clown who keeps mentioning that Jewett ran into Tuka, you can see very clearly on the video that there is no contact between them whatsoever. Are we watching the same race?
LOL you should go do math.. if they were side by side at 600 and they fall at 650 how in the world do you get 110? clearly you are denying this clear pictures of who was where
animaxcg wrote:
LOL you obviously didn't watch the race so I will show you with images how stupid your response is
image 1. the start of the bend clearly Jewett is outside of Amos.
https://i.ibb.co/rxg9Fsv/image.jpg
image 2. clearly Jewett's inside leg (not the hip number is on the inside) is out side Amos's outside leg. this is 5ish strides before the fall. https://i.ibb.co/tqx8Ng7/1.png
image 3. Jewett is still outside of Amos but cutting in 4ish strides out
https://ibb.co/qWyGbg6
image 4. 1 stride out Jewett inside leg is inside Amos's Outside leg
https://i.ibb.co/5L7xpsn/3.png
image 5. the contact
https://i.ibb.co/QfHYQ2k/4.png
clearly Jewett cut on which impeded Amos's progress... -
Stoppit Smith wrote:
You called me a clown when I was correct.
Don't shut up now punk.
What you saying now?
I can't get to YouTube from where I'm working. Will check it though as I'm genuinely curious. In the other embedded video I can see Tuka's feet and they come nowhere near Jewett. Neither of them breaks stride. The only time someone's stride breaks is when Amos clips Jewett.
Can you describe what you see in the other video? -
sdfdsfsdfsdf wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
You called me a clown when I was correct.
Don't shut up now punk.
What you saying now?
I can't get to YouTube from where I'm working. Will check it though as I'm genuinely curious. In the other embedded video I can see Tuka's feet and they come nowhere near Jewett. Neither of them breaks stride. The only time someone's stride breaks is when Amos clips Jewett.
Can you describe what you see in the other video?
Don't waste your time. He's wrong and the "link" he provided does not bring you to any particular video. If he had proof he'd post the specific link. He doesn't and he's wrong. -
It’s all about who it is and they wanted a star in the finals and had an open spot. Ridiculous but not surprising.
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Here is your proof:
animaxcg wrote:
LOL you obviously didn't watch the race so I will show you with images how stupid your response is
image 1. the start of the bend clearly Jewett is outside of Amos.
https://i.ibb.co/rxg9Fsv/image.jpg
image 2. clearly Jewett's inside leg (not the hip number is on the inside) is out side Amos's outside leg. this is 5ish strides before the fall. https://i.ibb.co/tqx8Ng7/1.png
image 3. Jewett is still outside of Amos but cutting in 4ish strides out
https://ibb.co/qWyGbg6
image 4. 1 stride out Jewett inside leg is inside Amos's Outside leg
https://i.ibb.co/5L7xpsn/3.png
image 5. the contact
https://i.ibb.co/QfHYQ2k/4.png
clearly Jewett cut on which impeded Amos's progress...
people cut in all the time way too early in races.. it seems to never be called impeding unless someone falls.
This doesn't have to be intentional for Amos to still go through.. I don't think Jewett intentionally did this to hurt Amos. I have done what Jewett has done a couple of times it's risky because of the likelihood of a tumble and risk of being DQ'd.. people running into the back of you while you've been on the rail is an issue too but that is different than someone within 2 strides of cutting in having a collision with you. it's just really obvious Jewett was not 2 strides infront of Amos in the above screenshots.
When people ran into the back of me I would back kick and spike them... which I could have gotten DQ'd for but these are things you risk to try to keep your space around you. I have scars on both my Achilles from people spiking me from behind none of them come from me cutting into early. This is to show that what is done and heavily practiced by athletes in competition doesn't mean it is in accordance to rules... How competition often plays out doesn't mean it's legal. this is one of those times... I understand you can run like Jewett and if no one falls no one is DQ'd or auto put through to the finals... but that doesn't mean those rules never apply... you constantly bring up what you do in races and how races play out as your reasoning... you don't bring up the actual rules from world athletics... if you don't like them go try to change them.. otherwise rules are rules.. -
animaxcg wrote:
sdfdsfsdfsdf wrote:
Seriously? The fall happened at 650m. So Amos was inside 110m before that? And that proves that 110m later, when you can clearly see Jewett taking multiple strides with no contact to Amos, that Jewett cut in on Amos? What I see is Jewett running clean on the rail, then Amos slightly moving outside and clipping Jewett's foot. Not Amos' fault really, but it was him changing position when the contact happened.
Have you ever run a race? When you move to the rail, if you get in cleanly the position is yours. If you're behind and let someone move in on you, you have to slightly back off to move outside if you want to go around. It appears that Amos misjudged the huge length of Jewett's stride.
And to the other clown who keeps mentioning that Jewett ran into Tuka, you can see very clearly on the video that there is no contact between them whatsoever. Are we watching the same race?
LOL you should go do math.. if they were side by side at 600 and they fall at 650 how in the world do you get 110? clearly you are denying this clear pictures of who was where
animaxcg wrote:
LOL you obviously didn't watch the race so I will show you with images how stupid your response is
image 1. the start of the bend clearly Jewett is outside of Amos.
https://i.ibb.co/rxg9Fsv/image.jpg
image 2. clearly Jewett's inside leg (not the hip number is on the inside) is out side Amos's outside leg. this is 5ish strides before the fall. https://i.ibb.co/tqx8Ng7/1.png
image 3. Jewett is still outside of Amos but cutting in 4ish strides out
https://ibb.co/qWyGbg6
image 4. 1 stride out Jewett inside leg is inside Amos's Outside leg
https://i.ibb.co/5L7xpsn/3.png
image 5. the contact
https://i.ibb.co/QfHYQ2k/4.png
clearly Jewett cut on which impeded Amos's progress...
I was replying to the person who said Amos was inside at about 540m. 540 +110 = 650.
I'm not that invested in this argument so I guess you internet tough guys can declare yourselves the winners. -
Or all about the rules maybe?
Maybe we should just through out the rules.. races can have fighting. pushing clipping and running on the inside because apparently no one on here likes the rules inplace .. #defundtheworldatheltics -
Amos in the final changes everything. He has to stay favourite. I'm also liking Rotich's form and he's looking good for a medal:
My prediction:
1. Amos
2. Rotich
3. Murphy -
animaxcg wrote:
Or all about the rules maybe?
Maybe we should just through out the rules.. races can have fighting. pushing clipping and running on the inside because apparently no one on here likes the rules inplace .. #defundtheworldatheltics
I think the rules are fine. I just think it looks like a clean pass. We can agree to disagree. They take a few strides before the contact happens when Amos moves outside. Not either runner's fault really. Your logic may explain the ruling correctly. I'd just like to hear officially how they made the decision. -
drtoneill wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:
Jeff Riseley (AUS) just just as impeded as anyone in that fall. The referees said it didn’t impede him…even though he had to avoid tripping on the rail and then move sideways to jump over the two that fell!
Yes, I am his coach and may be bias :)
Exactly! If Amos was let back in then Riseley should have been too. Let's hope Bol still makes it an Aussie gold.
I think Rotich the win, he looked the easiest. But several in it after than, for sure including Bol. -
Stoppit Smith wrote:
I'm the clown.
Watch the TOKYO OLYMPIC 2020 slow motion video exactly as spelled on YouTube
Watch it, punk. Then tell me.
Why don't you post the video in this thread? -
arunaround wrote:
Here’s a better video of the fall that shows Jewett first cutting in front of Amos from his right and then hitting Amos’ knee and falling at which point Jewett’s fallen leg trips up Amos’ shin causing him to fall.
https://youtu.be/fyOMvm6f4hA
Amos wouldn’t have fallen because of Jewett’s heel hitting his knee alone, which as the Olympic referees seem to have ruled, indeed is part of the race as it’s the cutter’s responsibility to be fast enough while cutting, not the cuttee’s responsibility to slow down.
From this angle it seems clearly Jewett' s fault. He cuts in unnecessarily, clips the knee if the guy behind him and wipes out taking that guy down with him. Nothing Amos could do, but Jewett didn't need to di what he did. Don't see any scenario where Jewett gets reinstated. -
fada tyme wrote:
sdfdsfsdfsdf wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
You called me a clown when I was correct.
Don't shut up now punk.
What you saying now?
I can't get to YouTube from where I'm working. Will check it though as I'm genuinely curious. In the other embedded video I can see Tuka's feet and they come nowhere near Jewett. Neither of them breaks stride. The only time someone's stride breaks is when Amos clips Jewett.
Can you describe what you see in the other video?
Don't waste your time. He's wrong and the "link" he provided does not bring you to any particular video. If he had proof he'd post the specific link. He doesn't and he's wrong.
Yes. That's your narrative. As I am on a tablet, I am not able to post a link because I can't click on it.
Now you could easily look on YouTube. But I know your freaking kind and those of your ilk. Some no-name outsider could possibly know what he is saying. NO, you dumb jock, that's reserved for your friends. Only you and your friends must know what they are talking about.
I've told you what I went to and I told you about the slow motion video which exists on YouTube.
All of you runners are dumb, edgy jerks and It's clear why you need beer gardens at the end of races.
But I know better. You'll eventually find the video and act like an entitled genius to impress your friends. Because that's all you have in your empty lives.
Yet I know what I saw. I know what I posted and I know you're trash.
But I'm still right.
And when you discover that..don't bother apologizing..i won't accept as I don't accept your kind.
