Elite male 800 m runners at the Tokyo Olympics with impressive academic credentials

Yann Schrub, French medical doctor and sub 28 minute 10,000 m runner.

https://instagram.com/yann_schrub?utm_medium=copy_link

This is the degree for those not good enough at math to get a CS degree. It's typically in the business school not the math/engineering/science school.

That being said. Honestly the material taught at the best schools vs the worst isn't much different.. infact I will say of the hundreds of engineers I have worked with no one from a top 20 CS school has impressed me with one exception.

The school you get into has more to do with how good you are at standardized tests that test your English knowledge and don't go beyond math that you learn by 8th or 9th grade and doesn't touch any science.. probably why the above it true

rhimby wrote:

What's the point of this thread? The vast majority of these guys have "normal" college degrees from average to below average schools....only a couple of the guys you listed have "impressive" academic credentials, and even those are debatable.

The only one listed who is remotely prestigious is Hoppel; good program at a good university. The rest are mostly clown colleges.

[quote]Ghost1 wrote:

This was already addressed in another thread about the BYU athlete, Conner Mantz who was studying mechanical engineering and some people “looked down” on his degree in mechanical engineering because it was from Brigham Young University which some people consider to be a low ranked university.

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byu is below low. It wishes it was good enough to be a clown college. As far as Mantz, he is STILL studying for his little degree, after who knows how many years, and who knows how many more years it will take him to finish. byu is not a good school and engineering there is a joke.

totoo wrote:

[quote]Ghost1 wrote:

This was already addressed in another thread about the BYU athlete, Conner Mantz who was studying mechanical engineering and some people “looked down” on his degree in mechanical engineering because it was from Brigham Young University which some people consider to be a low ranked university.

/quote]

byu is below low. It wishes it was good enough to be a clown college. As far as Mantz, he is STILL studying for his little degree, after who knows how many years, and who knows how many more years it will take him to finish. byu is not a good school and engineering there is a joke.

Mechanical engineering is mechanical engineering no matter the school. I doubt very much that the engineering department at Brigham Young University would be happy with your statement about their department being a clown department at a “clown university.”

BYU is heavily favored by Mormon students and Mormon students often happen to be the most driven, successful, motivated students on planet earth. We see that with their language training before they go on missions in which the master any language on the globe including very difficult esoteric ones in a matter of three months before going out to their location. This is just an example of what motivation and drive can do.

BYU is a serious university for serious students. Do you honestly think that engineering departments will admit into their departments complete duds who cannot master very demanding subjects placed on them to become engineers? It’s not going to happen.

Ghost1 wrote:

BYU is a serious university for serious students. Do you honestly think that engineering departments will admit into their departments complete duds who cannot master very demanding subjects placed on them to become engineers? It’s not going to happen.

You are extremely naive.

All engineering programs are not equal. As in everything, there is first and there is last. byu is very close to last. Believe me, you should trust your well being to systems engineered by MIT, CalTech, Princeton infinitely more than those from byu, and you are a fool if you don't.

BYU has excellent mechanical engineering.

vaccinated wrote:

BYU has excellent mechanical engineering.

It really doesn't.

English graduated from UCD with a Bachelor's in medicine

totoo wrote:

vaccinated wrote:

BYU has excellent mechanical engineering.

It really doesn't.

So possibly going on by this logic those who graduate from Brigham Young University in engineering become incompetent engineers and that is indeed a sad/unfortunate claim to make.

People should not focus on schools but rather the programs. Engineering is engineering and all university engineering programs in the United States are rigorously checked by the competent and authorized bodies and would not dispense their programs if they had not been given the greenlight to do so.

BYU engineering. You could do a lot worse than study engineering here. Conner Mantz will confirm that. Mantz took advanced college placement courses in high school before going to BYU. He’s a bright chap.

Love how we have someone here implying that someone with an engineering degree from Stanford while being an elite runner who would end up going to the Olympics is not impressive. I'm sure the joint probability of those events is basically 0% so it is by definition impressive.

Ghost1 wrote:

totoo wrote:

It really doesn't.

So possibly going on by this logic those who graduate from Brigham Young University in engineering become incompetent engineers and that is indeed a sad/unfortunate claim to make.

People should not focus on schools but rather the programs. Engineering is engineering and all university engineering programs in the United States are rigorously checked by the competent and authorized bodies and would not dispense their programs if they had not been given the greenlight to do so.

Engineering as a profession is overrated in terms of difficulty. Your course work will almost always be more difficult than the actual day to day drudgery, even at below average schools like BYU. "Incompetent engineers" are usually very very dumb.

Yes, engineering curriculum is standardized, but there are vast differences in how the curriculum is taught, and the level of detail and difficulty tested at different schools.

It's absurd to claim that the average engineer from BYU is equally as capable as the average engineer from Stanford for example.

Once you get your degree from an engineering school you have to do board exams and license exams to become a full-fledged engineer. That is the great leveler. That also takes care of the notion that some schools may not be producing the right skills in their engineering graduates.

Before claiming that some engineering programs are inadequate and produce “incompetent engineers” it would be better to look at the passing rate of these “incompetent future engineers” in their board exams and license exams for graduates of different universities and colleges. Only then would your assessment be valid otherwise it holds no value whatsoever because it appears your value system is biased according to your view of the inherent prestige of such a such a program at such and such a school.

https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe

Ghost1 wrote:

Once you get your degree from an engineering school you have to do board exams and license exams to become a full-fledged engineer. That is the great leveler. That also takes care of the notion that some schools may not be producing the right skills in their engineering graduates.

Before claiming that some engineering programs are inadequate and produce “incompetent engineers” it would be better to look at the passing rate of these “incompetent future engineers” in their board exams and license exams for graduates of different universities and colleges. Only then would your assessment be valid otherwise it holds no value whatsoever because it appears your value system is biased according to your view of the inherent prestige of such a such a program at such and such a school.

https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe

I didn't claim that below average schools produce "incompetent engineers". My claim is that they produce inferior engineers to those from top schools. This is a fact.

These exams are not difficult. Any mouthbreather with a pulse can pass them. As I said before, BEING an engineer is not hard. A school such as Stanford goes WELL BEYOND the minimum curriculum, while a school like BYU likely teaches right at the minimum.

Being an engineer and passing the exams is not difficult. Period.

Carlos Mayo, Spain, who run the 10,000m in Tokyo, is also a medical doctor. PB's: 27.25 10,000m; 13.18 5,000m; 3.36 1,500m; 1.00.06 half marathon.

As others have noted, combining athletics and studies in Europe is more complicated than in the US. Adrian Ben, also from Spain, who will run the 800m final in Tokyo, recently had a conflict with his University that spilled over to social media for not giving him any flexibility to re-schedule some classes around his competitions.

Remember Curtis Robb, probably GB's most talented middle-distance runner of the 90's and the natural heir to Ovett, Coe, Cram, and Elliott, reached the Barcelona final at age 20 or 21 while studying 40 hours a week in medical school, but ultimately decided that being a part-time runner chasing the behinds of EPO juiced Africans and Spaniards was no fun and gave it up entirely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg-8FWzYkLQ

, “ These exams are not difficult. Any mouthbreather with a pulse can pass them.” -Seriously?

That would be like saying “anybody with two legs and a heart which functions normally could become a sub 14 minute 5000 m runner or whatever standard you think is “elite” because this is somewhat subjective.

If engineering were that easy you would have millions of people becoming engineers and that is sadly not the case because it is a very demanding area and very selective as are the STEM subjects in general.

IQ levels are more or less set at birth and people with average or below average IQs are very unlikely to become engineers because they would not be able to handle the core subjects necessary to become engineers. It’s a controversial subject because some people think IQs are not a good test and biased towards people who come from good socioeconomic backgrounds but the reality is different.

We are not all equal and this is the reality. Few people have the potential to become engineers and that is why we see in the United States so many engineering positions and computing positions going to people from overseas, for example India and China.

Ghost1 wrote:

rhimby wrote:

Meh, studying "Information Technology" and "Business information systems" at Mississippi State don't strike me as particularly demanding. Engineering is always overrated in terms of difficulty, unless you're studying at a top school.

Quote: “ Engineering is always overrated in terms of difficulty, unless you're studying at a top school.

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I don’t agree with this because engineering is engineering no matter the school and it’s the same material basically, same books, and the same curriculum. Also once people graduate in engineering from no matter the university in the USA they have to pass the board exams which are the same throughout the country. So that is the great leveler in engineering, as it would be also for people who have a law degree and have to pass the Bar exam.

This was already addressed in another thread about the BYU athlete, Conner Mantz who was studying mechanical engineering and some people “looked down” on his degree in mechanical engineering because it was from Brigham Young University which some people consider to be a low ranked university.

You are right about IT and business information systems at Mississippi State being less demanding, than pure engineering, and even in engineering disciplines there is a ranking system, with civil engineering generally considered “the least demanding” engineering discipline.

In France, where I live, it is generally thought that combining high-level education with high-level athletics is not a possibility, but Yann Schrubb, a sub 28 minute 10,000 m runner recently proved the contrary as he recently graduated as a medical doctor.[/quote]

Engineers do not have to take board exams after graduating in the US. You can take exams and become a "Licensed Professional Engineer" but most don't and you can find jobs easily without that credential.