So what's the new PED?

ggilder wrote:

bcun g wrote:It’s good to see people getting busted but for every athlete caught there’s probably a hundred that don’t. Basically the only way to get caught is to mess up.

In other words, people mostly get busted when they violate the actual rules. Microdosing is not a violation if it is undetectable and merely aids recovery and training, as vitamins, minerals, protheses, caffeine, and routine medicines do. I'm amazed at the pecksniffs on this board, ranting against routine nutritional enhancements, stimuli, and creams as if they constitute some actual cheating, like heavy doses of EPO.

Someone microdosing PEDs is still cheating, even if they get caught. It’s the same as when I drive 5 mph over the speed limit; I’m very unlikely to get a speeding ticket, even though I technically broke the law. Although microdosing EPO is a bigger deal than going 75 in a 70 mph zone, because truly clean athletes (how ever many there may be) are being cheated out medals and prize money.

whatever it is just assume that everyone is taking it and enjoy the competition on a level playing field

LoneStarXC wrote:

ggilder wrote:

In other words, people mostly get busted when they violate the actual rules. Microdosing is not a violation if it is undetectable and merely aids recovery and training, as vitamins, minerals, protheses, caffeine, and routine medicines do. I'm amazed at the pecksniffs on this board, ranting against routine nutritional enhancements, stimuli, and creams as if they constitute some actual cheating, like heavy doses of EPO.

Someone microdosing PEDs is still cheating, even if they don’t get caught. It’s the same as when I drive 5 mph over the speed limit; I’m very unlikely to get a speeding ticket, even though I technically broke the law. Although microdosing EPO is a bigger deal than going 75 in a 70 mph zone, because truly clean athletes (how ever many there may be) are being cheated out medals and prize money.

Fixed

runner world wrote:

Most supplements, vitamins, and recovery protins, have a little amounts of peds. Athletes have a responsibility, knowing the right type and amount, of supplements to take.

In other words, thre is no such thing as, microdosing. Most of the banned substance, are either naturally occurring hormones, or substances that are found in most dietary supplements.

You break the rule, only when you test positive.

Lol....You're nuts dude, It's rare to find supplements, vitamins, protein containing PEDS...

Do you actually believe that BS?

We got the italian guy in the 100m. The jamaican women sweeping the 100m. Guys like Caleb Dressel in swimming, and then Sifan Hassan just TOYING with everyone.

This is a total dopeshow!

You don't think Dressel is clean?!?

Triple Pork Burrito with extra Offal on top

The new PED is called testes. Mboma will prove that in the 200 final.

now Warholm???

No human is limited.

lke_4:25 wrote:

ggilder wrote:

In other words, people mostly get busted when they violate the actual rules. Microdosing is not a violation if it is undetectable and merely aids recovery and training, as vitamins, minerals, protheses, caffeine, and routine medicines do. I'm amazed at the pecksniffs on this board, ranting against routine nutritional enhancements, stimuli, and creams as if they constitute some actual cheating, like heavy doses of EPO.

Best post I’ve read in a while

Yeah, what a buncha... pecksniffs!

honest discussion wrote:

Is there a new PED or is it because of covid isolation and such that athletes have been able to dope with more freedom? Obviously they're on the hot tamale burrito enchilada sauce, so what is it?

C'mon everybody, isn't it obvious now? It's asthma inhalers.

it must be peds + shoes

McLaughlin with another world record.

Whatever she’s taking, it’s WORKING.

Since I know nothing at all about peds, I give in to my own suspicions about dramatic changes in an athlete's performance or observed behaviors. So my gremlin of suspicion really took off like a bat when I watched 400 Hurdle Boy chest thumping, hooping and hollering, and rending his clothes before and after running his amazing race! While the guy just behind him was cool, calm, and collected. I thought there must be some undetected outside element at work on that boy.

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Since I know nothing at all about peds, I give in to my own suspicions about dramatic changes in an athlete's performance or observed behaviors. So my gremlin of suspicion really took off like a bat when I watched 400 Hurdle Boy chest thumping, hooping and hollering, and rending his clothes before and after running his amazing race! While the guy just behind him was cool, calm, and collected. I thought there must be some undetected outside element at work on that boy.

Yep. Hey, it’s not cheating if wada doesn’t even know it exists yet. They can always claim, “well, it’s not on the banned substances list.”

The last great advances in PEDs are, in order of importance:

1) Widespread availability of cheap HGH

2) widespread availability of GH peptides

3) SARMS (way down on the list)

The HGH thing came in the early-mid 00s. Some guys were using it long before then but it wasn’t easy or cheap for most guys until 2000-2007.

The cheap peptides and SARMS are more recent but aren’t as efficacious.

Everyone uses basically the same anabolic agents as they did 40 years ago. Yes, there are “designer” steroids but they’re just variations on one of the existing 3 basic lines of AAS altered to be less detectible. Steroid usage is mostly what it has always been, subject to a couple of possible developments.

The idea of microdosing short-estered (or no-estered) testosterone is probably sort of new. And the more recent trenbelone positives (I don’t remember many, if any, tren busts for sprinters/runners before the last few years) suggests people are trying stuff typically thought of as bodybuilder drugs. On that note, away from steroids, recall that BALCO was using insulin. Bodybuilders have been on insulin since at least the 80s but I think that was probably one of the first times track runners tried it.

The greatest advances of late have been facilitated by HGH and peptides, which greatly increase anaerobic work capacity and result in an enhanced ability to maintain speed. Top velocity hasn’t moved much since the 80s: Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis both hit 0.83 for 10m splits; Bolt hit 0.81 but he’s a class apart; I’m not sure anyone else has hit 0.82. But the top guys are holding their 0.84s for longer.

Too much is made of drugs on this board, as I’ve repeatedly explained, though few believe me. Do the PEDS help? Yes, big time. But the top guys are still the top guys because they’re the best. The widespread accessibility of the ergonomic aids should moot most of these accusations and convos - it’s an even playing field, people. There’s no secret sauce that only some athletes have.

Average of top ten performers' best for 100m:

2001: 9.98

2002: 9.96

2003: 9.97

2004: 9.92

2005: 9.95

2006: 9.94

2007: 9.94

2008: 9.85 (without Bolt and his 9.69 ----- 9.87!)

2009: 9.85 (without Bolt and his 9.58 ---- 9.88!)

2010: 9.87

2011: 9.83

2012: 9.83 (without Bolt and his 9.63 ---- 9.85!)

2013: 9.90

2014: 9.90

2015: 9.84

2016: 9.88

2017: 9.91

2018: 9.89

2019: 9.89

2021 (so far): 9.84

Must have been some massive improvements in track surfaces around 2008, right?

In 2001, the best time in the world was 9.82. By 2011, the AVERAGE of the ten best performers was 9.83. Mid-aughts.

And then actovegin and ecdysterone