Can someone explain Lydiard training in simple terms?
Can someone explain Lydiard training in simple terms?
The base phase
Begin running long distances as you build up. Run 40 min or more at least. These runs will be easy or steady depending on the day. Strides are included in this phase to keep turnover.
Hills
The hill phase is the transitional period, you do a mix of hill bounding up a hill, walking down, strides, and hill sprints if you want to change up the original ideas. All while keeping mileage strong, doing a true Lydiard hill workout is tough and many skip this phase.
Intervals
Now with your increased strength and over distance training, begin with intervals. Workouts or 400s 200s and any other speed work you can think of. He also talks about “Time trial” long distance runs are basically modern termpos but on the faster side.
Peak
Now the mileage goes down and the short sharp stuff gets added, once you get to here there is no coming back. You begin to feel fast and race faster than before. This peak will last you a good few weeks before you start the process over.
So essentially, working on your aerobic capacity through easy running while maintaining in touch with speed through short alactic pickups.
After this, you move in to traditional, lactic-acid building, track workouts like 12x400, 6x800, 5x1000, 8x600, 3x1 mile, etc.
Is this it?
fastboy77 wrote:
So essentially, working on your aerobic capacity through easy running while maintaining in touch with speed through short alactic pickups.
After this, you move in to traditional, lactic-acid building, track workouts like 12x400, 6x800, 5x1000, 8x600, 3x1 mile, etc.
Is this it?
Well.....we have to give the great LYDIARD fairer than this. When he gave a lecture in Tokyo in the -60s he told the audience and journalists his phase method, and the details in it ,was misinterpreted by many........!
He told the "distance" building phase wasn`t really easy slow running, but more like long easy STEADY running ( real meaning of his LSD running) and for the runner to be close to the individual speed at the frontier "country" where aerob running was about to transition to anaerobic. He also made clear that his distance building phase had an inhold of faster reps like 200s and so on......so not completely without faster running. A fantastic great coach and probably the best ever in history. Another thing I have told before that was very visionary about him was his humble expression that he was sure more efficient and effective systems would come in future and give faster race times.........
You really are not going to understand Lydiard if you're trying to force ideas like alactic pick ups, lactic acid building, etc. onto it. The idea didn't exist when he developed his ideas. If you're going to use his classic approach with all the phases the simplest way is to have;
1. A 10-12 week phase where you run a lot of miles, whatever that means for you, as fast as you can without getting out of breath, which conversely can be described as running slowly enough that you don't get out of breath. If you're going to err do it on the "too slow" side. Realistically don't worry about pace. Be comfortable and get in the miles.
2. Four to six weeks of doing 2-3 sessions of hill repeats. You want it simple so I'm not going to get into the variations of doing that you might find. Just find a "heeeeel," to quote Henry Rono, "any heeeel" and spend 30-45 minutes running up and down it. You can refine this a lot but you want simple.
3. Four to six weeks of interval work, three sessions a week if you can manage them, two, if not. Just do normal sessions, 200s, 400s, 800s, miles, etc. "Long reps, short recoveries, short reps long recoveries" (Bill Baillie)
4. Four weeks of sprints, 50/60s (sprint all out for 50 metres, "float" for 60 for as long as you can. This is a killer. Sprint straights and jog curves. And you'd do time trials or preliminary races perhaps "bracketing" your chosen distances, racing above and below it.
5. Races. Easy recovery runs between, your long run, though perhaps not the longest version of it.
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
Another thing I have told before that was very visionary about him was his humble expression that he was sure more efficient and effective systems would come in future and give faster race times.........
He was not talking about you and your useless system, though.
Start on page 18 to just get to the schedule:
http://www.fitnesssports.com/lyd_clinic_guide/Arthur%20Lydiard.pdf
Alan
ImpaIa31 wrote:
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
Another thing I have told before that was very visionary about him was his humble expression that he was sure more efficient and effective systems would come in future and give faster race times.........
He was not talking about you and your useless system, though.
Sometimes you express yourself really dumb... ;) How on earth could he know that my DANCAN system would come as one of the systems he predicted to come in future?
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
ImpaIa31 wrote:
He was not talking about you and your useless system, though.
Sometimes you express yourself really dumb... ;) How on earth could he know that my DANCAN system would come as one of the systems he predicted to come in future?
Which is no one is following.
Oh JS, the guy who claimed he emailed Lydiard in 1986.
SouthernFriedRealist wrote:
Oh JS, the guy who claimed he emailed Lydiard in 1986.
- Magic email !! )) -
Doesn't get much simpler than HRE explained.
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
ImpaIa31 wrote:
He was not talking about you and your useless system, though.
Sometimes you express yourself really dumb... ;) How on earth could he know that my DANCAN system would come as one of the systems he predicted to come in future?
OK peabrain, try this:
His prediction did not come true with your useless system.
Better now, dumb turd?
Runningart2004 wrote:
Start on page 18 to just get to the schedule:
http://www.fitnesssports.com/lyd_clinic_guide/Arthur%20Lydiard.pdfAlan
Wow, thank you so much for posting this!
Page 26 has a diagram of "how to tie your shoes."
Years ago, I went to pick up Lydiard at the airport for a lecture. I was somewhat in awe of the man. When he saw me with my sign, he came straight toward me, dropped to the ground, and began retying my shoes, speaking in a thick Kiwi accent about American runners not knowing how to tie their shoes properly.
HRE wrote:
You really are not going to understand Lydiard if you're trying to force ideas like alactic pick ups, lactic acid building, etc. onto it. The idea didn't exist when he developed his ideas. If you're going to use his classic approach with all the phases the simplest way is to have;
1. A 10-12 week phase where you run a lot of miles, whatever that means for you, as fast as you can without getting out of breath, which conversely can be described as running slowly enough that you don't get out of breath. If you're going to err do it on the "too slow" side. Realistically don't worry about pace. Be comfortable and get in the miles.
2. Four to six weeks of doing 2-3 sessions of hill repeats. You want it simple so I'm not going to get into the variations of doing that you might find. Just find a "heeeeel," to quote Henry Rono, "any heeeel" and spend 30-45 minutes running up and down it. You can refine this a lot but you want simple.
3. Four to six weeks of interval work, three sessions a week if you can manage them, two, if not. Just do normal sessions, 200s, 400s, 800s, miles, etc. "Long reps, short recoveries, short reps long recoveries" (Bill Baillie)
4. Four weeks of sprints, 50/60s (sprint all out for 50 metres, "float" for 60 for as long as you can. This is a killer. Sprint straights and jog curves. And you'd do time trials or preliminary races perhaps "bracketing" your chosen distances, racing above and below it.
5. Races. Easy recovery runs between, your long run, though perhaps not the longest version of it.
That is 22-28 weeks of training. When does anyone have that many weeks between the seasons?
Over my head? wrote:
HRE wrote:
You really are not going to understand Lydiard if you're trying to force ideas like alactic pick ups, lactic acid building, etc. onto it. The idea didn't exist when he developed his ideas. If you're going to use his classic approach with all the phases the simplest way is to have;
1. A 10-12 week phase where you run a lot of miles, whatever that means for you, as fast as you can without getting out of breath, which conversely can be described as running slowly enough that you don't get out of breath. If you're going to err do it on the "too slow" side. Realistically don't worry about pace. Be comfortable and get in the miles.
2. Four to six weeks of doing 2-3 sessions of hill repeats. You want it simple so I'm not going to get into the variations of doing that you might find. Just find a "heeeeel," to quote Henry Rono, "any heeeel" and spend 30-45 minutes running up and down it. You can refine this a lot but you want simple.
3. Four to six weeks of interval work, three sessions a week if you can manage them, two, if not. Just do normal sessions, 200s, 400s, 800s, miles, etc. "Long reps, short recoveries, short reps long recoveries" (Bill Baillie)
4. Four weeks of sprints, 50/60s (sprint all out for 50 metres, "float" for 60 for as long as you can. This is a killer. Sprint straights and jog curves. And you'd do time trials or preliminary races perhaps "bracketing" your chosen distances, racing above and below it.
5. Races. Easy recovery runs between, your long run, though perhaps not the longest version of it.
That is 22-28 weeks of training. When does anyone have that many weeks between the seasons?
They had in the days of Snell.
Over my head? wrote:
HRE wrote:
You really are not going to understand Lydiard if you're trying to force ideas like alactic pick ups, lactic acid building, etc. onto it. The idea didn't exist when he developed his ideas. If you're going to use his classic approach with all the phases the simplest way is to have;
1. A 10-12 week phase where you run a lot of miles, whatever that means for you, as fast as you can without getting out of breath, which conversely can be described as running slowly enough that you don't get out of breath. If you're going to err do it on the "too slow" side. Realistically don't worry about pace. Be comfortable and get in the miles.
2. Four to six weeks of doing 2-3 sessions of hill repeats. You want it simple so I'm not going to get into the variations of doing that you might find. Just find a "heeeeel," to quote Henry Rono, "any heeeel" and spend 30-45 minutes running up and down it. You can refine this a lot but you want simple.
3. Four to six weeks of interval work, three sessions a week if you can manage them, two, if not. Just do normal sessions, 200s, 400s, 800s, miles, etc. "Long reps, short recoveries, short reps long recoveries" (Bill Baillie)
4. Four weeks of sprints, 50/60s (sprint all out for 50 metres, "float" for 60 for as long as you can. This is a killer. Sprint straights and jog curves. And you'd do time trials or preliminary races perhaps "bracketing" your chosen distances, racing above and below it.
5. Races. Easy recovery runs between, your long run, though perhaps not the longest version of it.
That is 22-28 weeks of training. When does anyone have that many weeks between the seasons?
Some do. Some don't. There's only so much you can do when someone asks a brief question and wants a simple answer. I've written about as simple an explanation of Lydiard as you're going to find. He can be adapted to all sorts of situations but there needs to be a much more specific question that will get a less simple answer,
ImpaIa31 wrote:
He was not talking about you and your useless system, though.
OK peabrain, try this:
His prediction did not come true with your useless system.
Better now, dumb turd?[/quote]
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