Did Farah ever close at 4:01?
Did Farah ever close at 4:01?
High hopes wrote:
And they weren't Farah's only competition either. He had Edris, Kamworor, a rising Cheptegei, and an admittedly declining Bekele. We shouldn't try and qualify Farah's dominance just because he's not well-liked. He closed in 53 seconds in 2011 and 2012 so it's not like Barega's final lap would have been out of Farah's range at his peak
He had a young Kamworor one year and he really pushed him there. Edris went 1-0 vs. him, I'm not sure that counts in his favor. Young Cheptegei similarly pushed him like Kamworor and 2017 Cheptegei was not as good as 2019-21 Cheptegei. Bekele I mean come on, he destroyed Farah up until 2009.
In his prime, his major competition was the guys I listed. 2011 and 2012 were much better conditions and not 2:25 for the last K. The guys he raced today have also thrown down great splits on 10,000m races (Barega at Ethio Trials), great time trials (Cheptegei WR, Kiplimo solo 26:30). They've run much faster in all the distances. I know that Farah can only beat the guys that he faced. And he was a GREAT racer. I don't hate him or anything, but objectively the guys in the 10,000 right now are better than Jeilan, Tanui and Rupp.
He had Edris in 2015 and beat him, so that's 1-1. He had Kamworor in 2015, 2016 and 2017 - years when Kamworor was at his peak (three time world HM champ). The competition is tougher now, but peak Farah would be among them in races like Tokyo 2020. I also don't think 2021 Cheptegei would worry Farah in the same way as the 2019/20 version
Farah would have dominated.
I mean Kamworor is not a track racer like any of the top 3 today. If he could’ve laid down 12:4x or 26:30 he would have. Edris in 2015 was not a real factor. Again he had chief rivals and I listed them. Kamworor is one yes but he’s never been as consistent/good on the track as Kiplimo, Cheptegei of Barega. I believe peak Farah would be in the mix today but I don’t see him winning gold. Maybe he’d outfox the Ugandans for silver. They didn’t run the smartest races.
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Prime Farah wouldn’t ran the last 1600 in 3:55 if needed.
You’re forgetting how dominant Farah’s finishing kick was. At the 2015 world champs 5k he ran the last 800 in 1:48.
Farah would’ve smoked Barega at al. I would not be surprised if he ran that last lap in 50.x
There was a 10,000 today? I hate the coverage of these Olympics!
He could close in 50-51, so yes.
l'histoire wrote:
He could close in 50-51, so yes.
Yes, he did in a 14min 5,000. Usually in the 53 range in races with a reasonable pace.
Again Farah was really good but he was beating guys narrowly who were not at the level of this recent crop, no offense to Tanui, Jeilan and Rupp. Good runners but not guys who could break 12:45 or 26:30.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Again Farah was really good but he was beating guys narrowly who were not at the level of this recent crop, no offense to Tanui, Jeilan and Rupp. Good runners but not guys who could break 12:45 or 26:30.
This is a pretty laughable comparison. Who has broken 12:45 and 26:30 besides Cheptegei?
With the spikes as well we’re looking at roughly 5 seconds for 5km and 10 for 10km.
Also, Rupp closed his 26:44 in 1:58 last 800, he could’ve ran 26:3x off a quicker pace.
There’s a reason Farah outkicked everyone so dominantly.
And it’s incredibly foolish to think that because the lack of sub 13 and 27 performances for a number of years was a lack of talent, but rather it was the result of Farah dominating the world stage.
Hell, 2012 was the one fast diamond league where the completion really got after it in the 5000m. Gebremeskal ran 12:46 and lost to Farah that year in the Olympics. It’s a no brainer
Kiplimo has run 26:30, Barega has broken 12:45. And Cheptegei has his records. I’m not arguing about Farah in a 5,000 where he faced greater talent. Farah to me was a better 5k runner than 10k. The 10k though was a weak group for his run and that no doubt helped him rack up titles. The stats back it up, and Kejelcha and Barega ran these times pre spikes.
I mention the 5000m because many athletes who Farah beat in the 5000 are now 10000 athletes, including kejelcha, cheptegei, and in some respects barega.
If we’re talking only 10000m, Farah closed Rio in 13:11 last 5k and London 2017 in 13:13.
Closed London in 53.x in a 27:30 race, his 26:46 with a 2:30 last kilometer, Daegu 53.x.
This is all without the spikes.
If I was a betting man and prime Mo Farah is in this race with the spikes, I would put my house, car, and every penny in the bank on him winning.
Again just note that I’m looking at his margin of victory and who he beat. It’s the guys I said in close races. Yes he beat some of these guys at the 5k when they were teenagers. They’ve gotten better since. I get the faith in him, he delivered for years. But it was a dry spell in talent contesting the 10,000 when Jeilan, Rupp and Tanui were his consistent rivals. The event has had a major infusion in talent.
I agree the 10km is much more competitive now, but the result of this race in particular was not that different than what it has been the past 10 years or so. Obviously the heat played a part in it, but Barega closed in 53.x to win a 27:40 race.
Farah has done that time and time again, in races closer to 27 flat as well, even in the old spikes.
Barega ran 52.x to run 26:49 and included in that was him leading and Fartleking quite a bit. Farah never did that.The conditions clearly were a huge factor the data we have on these guys including Kejelchas 2019 WC title indicates they’re at a level up from Tanui, Jeilan etc. it was also a 2:25 last K so last lap a big unfair. Again I think prime Farah is competitive and maybe gets silver but to say wins easily zero chance.
**Cheptegeis title and Kejelcha silver both featuring faster last laps than Farah did in slower 10k finals
To The Gills!!!! wrote:
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