Sam Kendricks out of Tokyo- COVID positive

The Unkle wrote:

citation needed wrote:

also true. i like the guy as an athlete and personality and the camaraderie he has with the others. but still. if he was unvaxxed, as seems likely, my sympathy is lessened.

Why do you think it likely he was unvaxxed?

What if he was vaxxed?

He has no symptoms. He is not sick.

The test for Covid is bogus

because he avoided the question when asked directly if he was vaxxed. and the fact that no news article cites it is also damning. in the same articles about the three aussie athletes he was in contact with, they explicitly mention that all three were vaxxed.

but to answer your question, what if he was vaxxed? same thing I feel as if he was unvaxxed: this was really unfortunate for him, but I don't think the problem will be prevalent enough to cast much shade on the games.

cramberrys wrote:

There was a british study around a month ago that claimed that natural immunity was as good as vaccination. And isn't that how it usually goes? Genuine question. The data from Israel also offers conflicting views, where vaccinated people have had not too impressive protection. I'm not saying the vaccines are bad, but rather that they are comparable to natural immunity.

it's an evolving question. one factor is that vaccine immunity is more homogeneous. that is, the odd individual may respond well to their natural immune response, but at the population level, the studies I've seen show that COVID vaccines are more reliable and protective, especially against the newer strains.

You’re an idiot. The whole point of the “vax” is to give you immunity. More “vaxxed” are getting covid and more “vaxxed” are dying. Get Your head out of the sand and stop watching CNN.

The Unkle wrote:

I read a dozen articles on this and not one mentioned his vaccine status.

Not one.

Wonder why?

Is it really that hard to figure out? It's because he's not vaxxed. If he was he would say so, so he doesn't look like a complete idiot for blowing his Olympic chances and putting everyone else at risk.

lamp wrote:

Of all of the bad takes I've read on this site, this takes the cake. Well done.

It’s not a bad take if it is factual. Look up the numbers yourself if you don’t believe it.

It's amazing how eager liberals are to blame all societal ills on their fellow citizens as opposed to the elite who continue to draft one disastrous policy after the next.

The reason why covid restrictions remain in place is because such things are financially and politically beneficial to the oligarchs who run this country and the world. That's it. There is no "anti-science" boogeyman. Anyone who blames "conservatives" for this madness is falling for one of the oldest tricks in the book. Divide and conquer -- this is how tyrants operate, always,

citation needed wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]citation needed wrote:

also true. i like the guy as an athlete and personality and the camaraderie he has with the others. but still. if he was unvaxxed, as seems likely, my sympathy is lessened.

Why do you think it likely he was unvaxxed?

What if he was vaxxed?

He has no symptoms. He is not sick.

The test for Covid is bogus

because he avoided the question when asked directly if he was vaxxed.

Where did you see that? I cannot find it.

and the fact that no news article cites it is also damning. in the same articles about the three aussie athletes he was in contact with, they explicitly mention that all three were vaxxed.

The fact no news article mentions his vax status would seem to me to indictae he has been vaxxed. What does the vax status of people he came in contact with have to do with his vax status?

Anyway, they now tell us the vax does prevent you from getting Covid or passing it on. Only lessens the symptoms,

So his vax status has nothing to do with his contracting the virus.

rogers rabbitt wrote:

I don't want to prejudge wether Sam was vaccinated or not. Or if he flew directly from unvaccinated Mississippi.

But if he wasn't. And if he did fly from Mississippi. This is Mississippi's fault.

There is no vaccination for stupidity.

Lowest vaccination rate of any state and highest Covid rate.

Ready for the shot now, Bubba?

You just lost your boy a chance at an Olympic medal.

Assuming Mississipians care about pole vault, they won't view this as their fault for not being vaccinated. It'll be the wusses and liberals overreacting to "just the flu".

koyPond wrote:

lamp wrote:

Of all of the bad takes I've read on this site, this takes the cake. Well done.

It’s not a bad take if it is factual. Look up the numbers yourself if you don’t believe it.

hahahaha mate it's simple maths. vaccines don't provide 100% immunity, no one in history has claimed that. once a country gets enough vaccinated, the vaxxed deaths will outnumber unvaxxed on an absolute (but not relative) basis. hahahah

The Unkle wrote:

Anyway, they now tell us the vax does prevent you from getting Covid or passing it on. Only lessens the symptoms,

So his vax status has nothing to do with his contracting the virus.

vaccines LOWER the chances of all those things. dramatically. so he was much more likely to test positive for COVID by being unvaxxed.

pupil3142 wrote:

As someone who has tested false positive, is there no procedure to avoid this relatively common occurrence?

PCR is amazingly sensitive and can pick up false positives easily.

On first +ve result - quarantine for 24 hrs, test WITH A DIFFERENT LAB etc. If +ve, thats it. If -ve, quarantine a further 24hrs, test again - +ve, bye bye, -ve = back to life.

Our worst was 85 tests, 35 +ves. We changed labs, results much better - as in 'normal'.

I'm not sure of the protocol at the Olympics, but a standard exposure procedure would be to act as the the first positive test is a true positive until disproven. It sucks but at the Olympics you shouldn't be taking chances of DQ'ing others when there is evidence that you might.

mathematics wrote:

pupil3142 wrote:

As someone who has tested false positive, is there no procedure to avoid this relatively common occurrence?

PCR is amazingly sensitive and can pick up false positives easily.

On first +ve result - quarantine for 24 hrs, test WITH A DIFFERENT LAB etc. If +ve, thats it. If -ve, quarantine a further 24hrs, test again - +ve, bye bye, -ve = back to life.

Our worst was 85 tests, 35 +ves. We changed labs, results much better - as in 'normal'.

I'm not sure of the protocol at the Olympics, but a standard exposure procedure would be to act as the the first positive test is a true positive until disproven. It sucks but at the Olympics you shouldn't be taking chances of DQ'ing others when there is evidence that you might.

protocol is daily rapid antigen testing -> if positive result, isolate and confirm with PCR.

it's not impossible this was a legitimate false positive, but VERY unlikely.

Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:

It's amazing how eager liberals are to blame all societal ills on their fellow citizens as opposed to the elite who continue to draft one disastrous policy after the next.

The reason why covid restrictions remain in place is because such things are financially and politically beneficial to the oligarchs who run this country and the world. That's it. There is no "anti-science" boogeyman. Anyone who blames "conservatives" for this madness is falling for one of the oldest tricks in the book. Divide and conquer -- this is how tyrants operate, always,

These are the high school hot takes I come here for

citation needed wrote:

mathematics wrote:

I'm not sure of the protocol at the Olympics, but a standard exposure procedure would be to act as the the first positive test is a true positive until disproven. It sucks but at the Olympics you shouldn't be taking chances of DQ'ing others when there is evidence that you might.

protocol is daily rapid antigen testing -> if positive result, isolate and confirm with PCR.

it's not impossible this was a legitimate false positive, but VERY unlikely.

So that's pretty damning for Kendricks.

yep. here's the exact process:

"Samples will be transferred to a laboratory for testing. The initial test will be quantitative saliva antigen. If the results of the first test are unclear or positive, a saliva PCR test will be conducted from the same sample of saliva ... If the results of the saliva PCR test are also unclear or positive, your CLO will see a notification and inform you – If you are informed by your CLO, immediately go to the COVID-19 Clinic in the Village, maintaining physical distance from others, to take a follow-up nasopharyngeal PCR test. "

page 31 of the playbook

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Olympic-Games/Tokyo-2020/Playbooks/The-Playbook-Athletes-and-Officials-V3.pdf

This is nothing. Wait until Coal Hooker is patient zero of the Olympic super spreader event. He will get the Olympics shutdown early.

I feel bad for anyone who got the ineffective vaccine thinking it would make it so they wouldn’t have to worry about competing. Makes you wonder why even bother if you will still be subjected to the unnecessary protocols.

duck sauce wrote:

looks like the post was deleted?

unvaxxed people are 1000 Xs worse than Simone Biles, actively hurting their teammates

USA should never have allowed selfish unvaccinated people like cole hocker to attend. These carriers spread covid.

Phil Ken Sebben wrote:

just think about it for a second wrote:

The poster you are responding to will have nothing of value to say about that.

What if the vaxx’d, with their dogsht spotty “immunity” to COVID, are actually driving the evolution of the virus into more dangerous forms? They think they’re protected. Live their lives according to the “old normal” and are virus mutation incubators spreading their variants left, right and center.

Analogous to MRSA, which I realize is not a virus.

Congratulations! First critical thinker here. BTW, you're probably right. Many non mainstream virologists believe that