Kerri Strug "Do we need this?" vs Simone Biles' "I have to do what's right for me."

That's snowflake for "mean words hurt my feewings."

An article today has Kerri Strug SUPPORTING Simone Biles and her decision.

So there……

It is insane to me to see what is considered courageous in 2021. With our new value system our country is not in good shape. I am not saying competing on an injury is a good thing. I think that really depends upon the situation.

Biles stated in an interview that this is supposed to be fun. Uh, really? Should I tell my boss that? She earns a lot of money. I am hopeful that it is a great experience and that she has fun but that really doesn't matter at the end of the day.

I do not know all of the details of Biles situation but I do not like the moves based upon what I do know. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. And to the person that brought up someone being racist - gtfo. I am so tired of freaking losers like you that have to bring race into everything. You people ruin it for those that really are oppressed or experience racism.

Many years later and I don't think may people care that the girls' team won gold in '96.

It's crazy how much some people place on these things. I'm all for the entertainment, but most victories don't stand the test of time.

Ray Cyst wrote:

Biles is weak and selfish

Strug is a beast

I swear you people have brain damage. Strug stepped up and vaulted and at the time she vaulted, they needed her to do so. They didn't know what scores would come later. When or how NBC decided to show it for production value later is completely irrelevant to whether Strug is a beast or not. In the end, it did turn out that they didn't need her vault, but they didn't know that. The vault however, made it impossible for anyone to overtake them so it didn't matter what the Russians did after. She guaranteed the gold! She vaulted on a 3rd degree lateral sprain. She didn't cry about her feelings.

Got it?

Biles is weak!

Why are you so obsessed with Biles anyway? What did she ever do to you?

bono's son wrote:

Many years later and I don't think may people care that the girls' team won gold in '96.

It's crazy how much some people place on these things. I'm all for the entertainment, but most victories don't stand the test of time.

I'm pretty sure those girls still care. Pretty sure they're proud to have that gold medal.

When Karoyli forced Strug to compete on a destroyed ankle it ended her career.

Of course morons who think Olympic athletes compete for us to enjoy thing that’s the correct outcome.

was kinda gross really wrote:

I remember watching that Strug vault when it happened and that it was quite disturbing.

They didn't evaluate her injury, just blindly "Do it for your country."

Absolute disregard for athlete's long-term health

could have ended brutally

bad call that ended well, but still a bad call.

We would have won gold anyway.

Extactly this ^ very irresponsible for all adults involved.

Ray Cyst wrote:

1996:

Strug injured her ankle on on her first vault attempt in the team finals. Strug famously asked coach Béla Károlyi "Do we need this?" He told her that they did and she needed to vaut to guarantee gold. She did and they won gold.

2021:

Simone Biles:

I'm not injured but "I have to do what's right for me and focus on my mental health and not jeopardize my health and well-being."

Yeah.

Ok.

Teamwork makes the dream work.

Or not.

Biles should be ashamed of herself. She's made my ZERO respect list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwa5Bf656As

The irony was that in 1996 she did not need to do the vault as the US had the title locked up without it.

Ray Cyst wrote:

was kinda gross really wrote:

We would have won gold anyway.

Ummm, No, no "they" would not have. The previous vaults were not great, if Strug didn't vault they would not have even medaled. Strug's vault made it mathematically impossible for anyone to overtake them for gold. The idiot posting above doesn't seem to understand that and is talking about when the vault occurred, which is irrelevant.

They 100% needed Strug to vault and her vault 100% sealed the gold medal.

She was a beast, she did it for her teammates, her country and herself.

If Biles goes on to win gold in the all-around, she will be excoriated for being selfish and weak and deservedly so.

She should be prevented from competing in the individual competition, you know, to protect her mental health. She can't have it both ways. I can't help but think that this woke, "everyone is a victim and martyr" complex has seeped so deeply into the American psyche that very few are capable of facing real adversity and overcoming obstacles. Doesn't bode well for the next generation up.

I remember wanting to drop out of league meet in high school so badly because I was just feeling awful that day, but I had to stick it out to qualify for state and help the team, so I did. I also remember our second guy in cross country, who would've won the state team title for us, being a head case and crapping out at state xc. It robbed all of his teammates who tried their very best that day. Biles should've at least competed for the team, then quit the Olympics. If this stuff was really going on before the games, she should've been left off the team.

not exactly what you thought it was wrote:

You mean when Strug vaulted BEFORE the final Russian on the floor. The Russian who was criminally underscored by the Atlanta Judges. Then NBC when showing the event showed the Russian floor exercise before last Strug's vault, to make it seem like she went last and it was even more dramatic. yes. you've been lied to your entire life by the media. yes, i worked in the production department for that little bit of history alteration.

Please email me:

. I'd love to write a story about this. Put it in all caps in the subject as I often ignore email.

Actually, please give me a call at 844-538-7786 ext 3 and leave me a voice mail as I'm bad at email.

It's not a secret that Strug vaulted before the final Russian floor exercise. See below right from Wiki. The thing is, when Kerri vaulted, they had not mathematicaly clinched gold. Her vault sealed it. Then the Russian completed their floor exercise. It's wasn't a good score, but even if it was it would not have mattered because Kerri had sealed the US gold by then.

I watched it on TV then. That's how I remember it. I could be wrong with my memory, but either way, when she vaulted they had not yet clinched the gold.

From Wiki...

"Retrospectively, after a poor performance from the final Russian Roza Galieva on floor, Moceanu's score (9.200) would have been sufficient to beat the Russians even if Strug had not performed a second vault, as the lowest score for each team was dropped. However, Galieva performed after Strug, and therefore Strug needed to land a second vault on her feet in order to mathematically clinch the gold."

Ray Cyst wrote:

not exactly what you thought it was wrote:

You mean when Strug vaulted BEFORE the final Russian on the floor. The Russian who was criminally underscored by the Atlanta Judges. Then NBC when showing the event showed the Russian floor exercise before last Strug's vault, to make it seem like she went last and it was even more dramatic. yes. you've been lied to your entire life by the media. yes, i worked in the production department for that little bit of history alteration.

When the vault occurred is the most irrelevant part of this event. Are you serious? Who cares when she vaulted, the US needed that vault from her and she delivered a 9.7. You conspiracy theory people are nuts and you focus on the most ridiculous details and act like it proves something.

No that’s wrong, the US did not need that vault. Even if the last Russian scored a 10, the US would have still won without it. Kerri vaulted because Bella couldn’t do math. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just a human error.

Ray Cyst wrote:

1996:

Strug injured her ankle on on her first vault attempt in the team finals. Strug famously asked coach Béla Károlyi "Do we need this?" He told her that they did and she needed to vaut to guarantee gold. She did and they won gold.

Wrong. They would have won gold with her first one. She didn't need the second vault, Karolyi was just an idiot.

Gymnwatcher wrote:

Ray Cyst wrote:

1996:

Strug injured her ankle on on her first vault attempt in the team finals. Strug famously asked coach Béla Károlyi "Do we need this?" He told her that they did and she needed to vaut to guarantee gold. She did and they won gold.

Wrong. They would have won gold with her first one. She didn't need the second vault, Karolyi was just an idiot.

"Do what ever your idiot coach says, even if it costs you your career"

"Why didn't the OP women just leave if Salazar was so bad"

They are never consistent... are they...

wrong1658 wrote:

Ray Cyst wrote:

When the vault occurred is the most irrelevant part of this event. Are you serious? Who cares when she vaulted, the US needed that vault from her and she delivered a 9.7. You conspiracy theory people are nuts and you focus on the most ridiculous details and act like it proves something.

No that’s wrong, the US did not need that vault. Even if the last Russian scored a 10, the US would have still won without it. Kerri vaulted because Bella couldn’t do math. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just a human error.

Wrong...

"In the team competition, each gymnast performed two vaults however, only the higher score of the two vaults was counted. Phelps led the team off, followed by Chow, Miller, and Dawes, all with strong showings. With a narrow lead, Moceanu vaulted next, needing a 9.430 to secure the gold medal. On both of Moceanu's attempts, she was severely under-rotated and fell backwards onto the mat. She earned only a 9.200 which was not enough to clinch the gold medal as Russia was still performing on floor and could theoretically score as high as 10.00. In hindsight, it is known that Moceanu's 9.200 was in fact enough for the United States to win gold, however, they didn't know this with certainty at the time."

Give it up Russian trolls, you got your gold this time. I know it's slow at work without an election, but c'mon man! ;-)

Technically true, but really misleading. The Russian's final score was 388.404, and the American's 389.225. The difference between Moceanu and Strug's vaults was 0.512, giving the Americans 388.713 with Moceanu's vault. If Galieva scored a 10, then the Russians wouldn't have counted the 9.662 from Khorkina, giving the Russians a hypothetical 388.742, which would barely beat the Americans. The thing is, no one had ever scored a perfect 10 in the 1993-1996 code of points. It was basically impossible. How high would Galieva have needed to score for the US to win without Strug, the answer, a 9.972. This score was not realistic in the 1996 code of points, it would have required half of the judges giving Galieva a 10 and the other half giving a 9.95. If Strug knew that was what Galieva had to score she definitely wouldn't have thrown the vault. Not a single gymnast in the Atlanta Olympics scored over 9.887 [over a thousand routines]. Bella miscalculated, and thought the Russians were a bit closer.

No, that's what Strug needed a minute before her first vault. But after her first vault was finished, Khorkina's score had already been displayed for a bit, 9.662. So she really only needed a 9.23 to clinch gold at that time if Galieva scored a 10. Alternatively, she could have sat out and Galieva would have needed a 9.97 to win for Russia. An impossible score in the 1996 code of points.