Well the 800m swimmer just pulled a Billy Mills for the gold.
Well the 800m swimmer just pulled a Billy Mills for the gold.
coach wrote:
Well the 800m swimmer just pulled a Billy Mills for the gold.
Was impressive. Good to see a lesser swimming nation get a rare gold.
vaccinated wrote:
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Trump was a symptom not a cause. Far right ideological tyranny and neo-Fascism are the cancer.
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bad news bear wrote:
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
You again?! What is it with you and black women? Did one turn you down or something?
WTF is wrong with you and your RACE-BAITING? There are no white women anywhere close to the 4x4, Ray is advocating for Athing Mu, Sydney McLaughlin and Dalilah Muhamed to run along with the 400m champion........ALL BLACK WOMEN.
Exactly, his logic is so flawed it makes my head hurt.
bad news bear wrote:
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
You again?! What is it with you and black women? Did one turn you down or something?
WTF is wrong with you and your RACE-BAITING? There are no white women anywhere close to the 4x4, Ray is advocating for Athing Mu, Sydney McLaughlin and Dalilah Muhamed to run along with the 400m champion........ALL BLACK WOMEN.
I can absolutely understand going with Athing Mu and Sydney McLaughlin, both of whom are likely sub 50 open 400m runners at this point (Mu ran the NCAA record 400m in 49.5). But Dalilah? Felix deserves her 400m relay spot.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
That was brutal to watch.
https://twitter.com/nzaccardi/status/1420228655557525516?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
So, their alternative is a guy who swam a 0.7 seconds faster in one race with less pressure? I do not see how this looks like an obvious decision. If he overlooked several 200m specialists who swim 3 seconds faster, I would get it.
Apple was rotten.
Here are the 4x200 Freestyle results:
1. Gold- Great Britain - 6:58.58
2. Silver - ROC - 7:01.81
3. Bronze - 7:01.84
4. Also Ran - USA - 7:02.43
US splits:
Kieran Smith – 1:44.74
Drew Kibler – 1:45.51
Zach Apple – 1:47.31
Townley Haas – 1:44.87
One of these things doesn't belong with the others. Someone in Vegas won a lot of money.
Meanwhile, the guy they left off the team, Caeleb Dressel, wins gold in Individual Freestyle - setting an Olympic Record.
Refreshing to see T&F isn't the only sport with politics and idiotic coach calls.
btw - bronze was australia
NYDCRunner is a liberal bi$ch just trying to look for any moment he can to act like he is creating social justice. Ray made a comical username, and wants objective analysis of the athletes that are representing the US. I don't see the harm. There are no white women anywhere close to making the 4x4, so it is not a race issue.
xczvzxcv wrote:
WTF is wrong with you and your RACE-BAITING? There are no white women anywhere close to the 4x4, Ray is advocating for Athing Mu, Sydney McLaughlin and Dalilah Muhamed to run along with the 400m champion........ALL BLACK WOMEN.
I can absolutely understand going with Athing Mu and Sydney McLaughlin, both of whom are likely sub 50 open 400m runners at this point (Mu ran the NCAA record 400m in 49.5). But Dalilah? Felix deserves her 400m relay spot.[/quote]
Felix ran 50.02 in the 400 at the trials, Mohammad ran 52.42 in the 400 HURDLES. Clearly she can run at least 3 seconds faster without hurdles. You can make an argument for Gabby Thomas over Felix too.
The OPs /twitter comment clearly has no idea what he's talking about
a) you don't compare relay splits with 'flat' starts, there's about a 0.6 to 0.8 second conversion there [advantage flying relay start]
b) the US team had [3] individuals to choose from , Pieroni among them that all were both not in the mens 100m semi in the same swim session as the 4x200m free final. Both Dressel and Apple were poor choices as they were less than an hour out from an anaerobic tank-dump of a 100m semi. That leaves 3 solid 1:45:nn performers sitting in the wings Pieroni most significantly ready to go.
Apple anchored the 4x100m free earlier in the week to an astounding 46:low, so the coaches thought he was overperforming. He's also a ginormous dude and older now and having trouble getting through the rounds with his anaerobic tank running dry [it can take hours to recover it]
So no, I dont think the twitter hot take was pretty relevant. Dressel was no better a choice than Apple as both were just out of the 100m free semis earlier in the session.
Kibler, Seliskar, Callan, Pieroni
Smith, Kibler, Apple, Haas used in the final
Pieroni, Callan, Seliskar's time in the prelims:
Kibler [the kid] was 3rd in the trials in the 200m free [1:45.92, and led off in the prelims at 1:46.12 so a flying relay split equivalent of 1:45.32 - 1:45.52], an obvious choice. He earned it at the trials, and proved it in prelims
Seliskar was 4th at trials [aka earned it] , 1:46.17 flying start in prelims [saving it for the finals, but solid]
Pieroni was in great form, coming off the 400m and has 1:45s on his resume, so a lock for a 1:45 flying start as well, 7th at the trials but he has the distance chops
Dressel was the inferior choice to any of these 3
A valuable insight into the mind of those making "logical"and completely wrong calls.
The "worst" choice is benched and reaping Olympic Gold in Individual, setting a Record to boot.... while the "best" choice squats out such an abysmal performance, a US swimming relay team misses the Olympic podium for the first time in history.
Phelps had this to say about about Dressel being left off:
"It’s shocking. You know, in my opinion, he’s probably the best 200 freestyler in the world. He can probably put up one of the best times that we’ve seen. Leaving him off that relay, to me, I think makes it a lot harder to win the gold medal.”
Par for the course, I guess - an anonymous Letsrun poster knows more than some guy with 28 Olympic swimming medals.
it doesn't surprise me at all that you [or Phelps, who wasnt a sprinter] or the OP/twitter dude thought that Dressel was in any manner superior to Pieroni, Kibler, or Seliskar who all earned their 200m free relay spot or demonstrated 1:45 capability.
None of whom had a prior 100m semi swim in the day. Something else that Phelps never had to deal with: lactic acid/surviving anaerobic repeated maximal efforts with limited time.
No one without Phelps' specific lactate mutation could expect to do well in a back-back session like this. It gets harder as you get older as well.
Dressel as we saw in the 100m free final, is the worlds fastest swimmer. Putting him in the 200m and expecting similar results is like putting Bolt in the 400m and expecting him to do anything of note on the 4x400 relay. It's not his event.
Yes Dressel put up a 1:46 at the trials flat start. Phelps and Lochte were in the 1:42s, and distance swimmers. Those would be difference makers.
It is hardly a hot take to suggest a tired sprinter is not the top choice among a trio of talented mid-distance swimmers that have already proven 1:45 capability in flat-races [Pieroni, Kibler, Seliskar all have a 1:45.n flat start on their resume, and Kibler especially was looking good but Pieroni the vet was the safe bet here]
Dressel is a true sprinter 50/100 guy he owns the shortcourse world records already, and it seems like it's inevitable that he will own the longcourse soon enough.
The 200m isn't is thing. The analogy I used earlier is not accurate. Putting Dressel in the 200m is actually like putting Bolt in the 800
no clue wrote:
Dressel is a true sprinter 50/100 guy he owns the shortcourse world records already, and it seems like it's inevitable that he will own the longcourse soon enough.
The 200m isn't is thing. The analogy I used earlier is not accurate. Putting Dressel in the 200m is actually like putting Bolt in the 800
Not sure it's inevitable, he's dominant in the short course because he's so great on the turns and underwater. The more turns there are, the bigger his advantage.
he's on an arc of continual improvement, he's more than just the start and turn, and he is up against super suit times
He owns the textile WRs already
no clue wrote:
he's on an arc of continual improvement, he's more than just the start and turn, and he is up against super suit times
He owns the textile WRs already
Perhaps, but he's 25 next month which is pretty ancient as far as swimmers go.
He just won his best event by the skin of his teeth.
Will he still be dominant come Paris? Who knows, there are a number of good young sprinters coming through.
no I think next WC season is about it for him, but WRs get set in swimming usually outside the games. He has about 6-8 legit shots a year for a crack at the WRs
Agreed on 25 being about it for him. I do not think he will be dominant next cycle [Paris], but between now and say his 27th birthday he will be able to paper the WRs with his surname imho