Bromelain.
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Whisk wrote:
david45 wrote:
No. People told me in the past I wasn't improving because I was running too slow in the backyard
If your easy pace is 14 minutes per mile then you can get a serious aerobic workout (heart rate elevate and labored breathing) by going for a long walk. You should go for a long walk everyday. Eventually you might be able to run after you start getting in shape from walking.
Hes right. If you can't walk first you shouldn't be running. Walk an hour a day. Two hours once a week. Don't even try to run until you've walked for at least five or six months.
Plantar fascists injuries take a long time to heal.
fisky wrote:
Since the OP has tried all the stretches, he should try off-the-shelf orthotics or just make his own orthotics. The planter fascia needs support, not just in the running shoes, but in all shoes. Making your own orthotics is a bit of an art, but with a few tries, the OP should be able to solve his ongoing PF problem. I've posted this solution many times on LetsRun so instead of typing it again, I'm just going to cut and paste from the Kindle version of my book. (Please overlook the formatting errors. It doesn't cut and paste smoothly.)
43. Runners Knee and Plantar Fasciitis
Chondromalacia (runner’s knee) and plantar fasciitis (sore arch or heel) are two of the most common running injuries. These injuries can be serious, taking weeks or months to heal. Motion control shoes or custom orthotics might help, but there are two less expensive options worth considering.
Off-the-shelf orthotics might provide all the support you need. An added benefit is that you might be able to switch to a lighter, more responsive running shoe. But if off-the-shelf orthotics don’t resolve your problem, you can build your own orthotics. This strategy has saved me hundreds of dollars in orthotic costs. If you need orthotics, the next tip is worth the price of this book many times over.
44. Build Your Own Orthotics for 20 Cents
You can make your own orthotics for a few pennies. You’ll need a pair of scissors, duct tape, and a square foot of craft’s felt (available at the crafts section of discount stores). Cut the felt into a few 1½ x 2-inch rectangles. Take the existing insert out of the shoe.
Add a few of these small pieces of craft felt to the bottom of the insert in the arch area. Overlap the felt to avoid getting all the bulk in one place. Use a small strip of duct tape or athletic tape to hold the felt in place. Put the insert back in the shoe and jog a bit. If you can’t feel any difference, keep adding pieces of felt until it feels like you’re walking with a tennis ball under your arch.
When you reach that point, it’s a little too much, so remove one piece of felt. If you feel a pressure point where there is too much padding, make a mental note of where you need to make adjustments. With the shoe still on, slip your finger inside the shoe and put it on the spot where the padding must be removed.
Keep adjusting the felt by adding, moving or removing pieces as necessary. Repeat until it feels right. You want to feel support all along the arch, not just the front or the back or the outer edge. If it feels like you are running with a tennis ball under your arch, that’s too much. You can use pieces of any size—just fold or trim to give support in the area you need. Most likely, you’ll need 3-10 pieces on each arch, depending on how much arch support you need. Curiously, the number of pieces you need is not dependent on the height of your arch.
I have slightly below-average height arches, yet I have to add extra arch support to all my shoes. Some shoe models require more additional padding than others. Also, the padding won’t be the same from one model year to the next or even from your left to your right foot. My right foot needs substantially more arch support than my left and yet, it appears visually the same as the left arch. Anyway, the outside edge of the felt should stick out past the inside edge of the insert. How much it needs to stick out varies with each shoe. For me, it’s typically a half-inch.
On your first run, you’ll probably need to make some minor adjustments. An easy way to do this is to wear a smartphone belt and carry blunt scissors, a few squares of felt, and a small roll of duct tape with you. Just stop and make adjustments during your run.
Bonus Tip: Don’t immediately go out for a 10-mile run after making a major adjustment to your shoes. Test it first on a short run. It’s possible to sprain the arch by providing too much support.
45. Modify Off-the-Shelf Orthotics
If homemade orthotics don’t work for you, you can even modify an off-the-shelf orthotic for a custom fit. Start with a two-piece orthotic, like Superfeet inserts, and add felt between the hard-plastic bottom and foam part of the insert in the arch area.
I find that Superfeet Black plus felt work best for me in racing flats. In most performance shoes, I can just add a few pieces of felt to the existing insert.
This may sound like a lot of work, but it’s faster than a trip to your doctor’s office. Once you’ve made your own orthotics a couple of times, you can complete the entire process in less than ten minutes.
Bonus Tip: Once you make orthotics for your running shoes, you should consider making similar homemade orthotics for your casual and dress shoes as well. After all, you’ll be spending more hours in those shoes than your running shoes. This is especially important if you are recovering from an injury.
46. Tilt Orthotics to Reduce Pronation
Overpronation is a major cause of running injuries, so shoe companies make two types of shoes to resolve this common problem: motion control shoes for severe overpronation and stability shoes for moderate overpronation. As you’ve already learned, these shoes don’t always resolve the problem.
Fortunately, you can use the orthotics you made in the previous tip to also prevent overpronation.
The first step is to provide more arch support, which you can do by adding an off-the-shelf orthotic like Superfeet or building your own orthotics as described earlier. This might be enough, but you’ll probably also need to tilt the foot slightly to the outside.
If you look at custom orthotics, you’ll see two common characteristics. The first is that they provide more arch support than the factory insert that comes your running shoes. The second is that they often tilt the heel by raising the inside of the heel higher than the outside. This extra tilt helps reduce pronation by tilting your foot slightly to the outside upon foot strike.
You can tilt your homemade orthotic to accomplish the same thing by cutting a ¾-inch wide strip of craft’s felt and running it from the back of the heel towards the arch along the inside edge of the insert. Trim the felt to conform to the curve of the insert. Then, tape it in place. Put the insert back in the shoe and take a step forward as described in the “Build Your Own Orthotics” tip. If your ankle still rotates inward, re-move the insert and add another strip.
Depending on your degree of pronation, you may have to add more or less felt in the heel area. On some shoes, I have to add two layers. On other shoes, I don’t have to add any at all.
It’s amazing how much difference this will make in the feel of the shoe.
Bonus Tip: After an MCL sprain, I had recovered to the point that I could walk without pain, but when I wore hiking boots the pain returned. Why would I be able to walk without pain in all my shoes except these? Walking mindfully, I realized I was pronating. I added one piece of craft’s felt along the heel as I just described and the pain disappeared. Craft’s felt is only 1mm thick, yet that tiny change in the tilt of the heel fixed the MCL pain!
thiscupisnthalffull2 wrote:
You misinterpreted, as you usually do.
First and foremost, slogging around your backyard is not going to help you.
Our meaning of "hard" is that every run should feel hard because you're completely unfit and out of shape. There is no true "easy" for you, thus every run will feel "hard". This is not the equivalent of "every run should be ran hard".
And running hard everyday is how I saw zero improvement
david45 wrote:
thiscupisnthalffull2 wrote:
You misinterpreted, as you usually do.
First and foremost, slogging around your backyard is not going to help you.
Our meaning of "hard" is that every run should feel hard because you're completely unfit and out of shape. There is no true "easy" for you, thus every run will feel "hard". This is not the equivalent of "every run should be ran hard".
And running hard everyday is how I saw zero improvement
There is no evidence of that. You didn’t run hard.
I'm just gonna go ahead and say psychotherapy.
I bought and used orthotics and stability shoes, and the issue still came back
Scout Paced Running: There was a time when the Army alternated walking and jogging for long distances.
Sprint Workouts: Start by walking to the track, running drills, then sprint short distances with running breaks. Sprinting can also be hard on the body, and I have to take it somewhat easy.
Steady State Running: In cold weather, most of your running might have to include these. You might also start with a warmup of jumping jacks, pushups, and leg swings indoors before you head out the door. It's easier to do the Scout runs with this method.
*Do not run as much or as often. I usually use special doctor-made orthotics which control pronation way too much. But they keep me uninjured.
The above might work, but thus far, I have gotten slower over the years. It would help if I lost some weight!
malmo wrote:
Whisk wrote:
If your easy pace is 14 minutes per mile then you can get a serious aerobic workout (heart rate elevate and labored breathing) by going for a long walk. You should go for a long walk everyday. Eventually you might be able to run after you start getting in shape from walking.
Hes right. If you can't walk first you shouldn't be running. Walk an hour a day. Two hours once a week. Don't even try to run until you've walked for at least five or six months.
Plantar fascists injuries take a long time to heal.
I am not that unfit. My best mile time as around 7 minutes per mile.
elvid33 wrote:
david45 wrote:
And running hard everyday is how I saw zero improvement
There is no evidence of that. You didn’t run hard.
Then how did I get injured so often?
david45 wrote:
malmo wrote:
Hes right. If you can't walk first you shouldn't be running. Walk an hour a day. Two hours once a week. Don't even try to run until you've walked for at least five or six months.
Plantar fascists injuries take a long time to heal.
I am not that unfit. My best mile time as around 7 minutes per mile.
It's not an issue of fitness, what I propose is that you stay away from the ballistic stresses caused by running and move your training away fro running towards walking for six months. I know that at your age six months seems like forever but PF is an insidious injury -- day to day, or even week to week improvements are barely discernible.
Be patient. You have no other choice.
malmo wrote:
david45 wrote:
I am not that unfit. My best mile time as around 7 minutes per mile.
It's not an issue of fitness, what I propose is that you stay away from the ballistic stresses caused by running and move your training away fro running towards walking for six months. I know that at your age six months seems like forever but PF is an insidious injury -- day to day, or even week to week improvements are barely discernible.
Be patient. You have no other choice.
Do most people suffer from PF from running?
david45 wrote:
malmo wrote:
It's not an issue of fitness, what I propose is that you stay away from the ballistic stresses caused by running and move your training away fro running towards walking for six months. I know that at your age six months seems like forever but PF is an insidious injury -- day to day, or even week to week improvements are barely discernible.
Be patient. You have no other choice.
Do most people suffer from PF from running?
No. Most people don't suffer from any specific injury. But switching to walking from running is a way to maintain aerobic fitness without aggravating the injury.
malmo wrote:
david45 wrote:
Do most people suffer from PF from running?
No. Most people don't suffer from any specific injury. But switching to walking from running is a way to maintain aerobic fitness without aggravating the injury.
I am asking how do I prevent PF. My feet is better after 6 months of rest, but I fear the pain will restart if I train seriously again
Orthotics need to be custom-made for your feet.
david45 wrote:
elvid33 wrote:
There is no evidence of that. You didn’t run hard.
Then how did I get injured so often?
There is no evidence of that. You didn’t run hard.
david45 wrote:
malmo wrote:
No. Most people don't suffer from any specific injury. But switching to walking from running is a way to maintain aerobic fitness without aggravating the injury.
I am asking how do I prevent PF. My feet is better after 6 months of rest, but I fear the pain will restart if I train seriously again
Stop it! No one knows how to prevent PF. I'm giving you sound advice for the here-and-now. Either take it, or ignore it. Starting the same thread over and over is going to do nothing for you.
malmo wrote:
david45 wrote:
I am asking how do I prevent PF. My feet is better after 6 months of rest, but I fear the pain will restart if I train seriously again
Stop it! No one knows how to prevent PF. I'm giving you sound advice for the here-and-now. Either take it, or ignore it. Starting the same thread over and over is going to do nothing for you.
I wouldn’t say that it’s going to do ‘nothing’ for him.
Can Letsrun please bring back the thing where it shows how many posts each user has created? This is already very entertaining, but a scoreboard like that would add value.
david45 wrote:
Film Rep wrote:
It’s still better than being injured and running 0 miles 🤔
You can thank the people on LRC for saying that I should run fast all the time. Now, I am injured
Epic!
Running fast all the time is idiotic advice.
Even with all the morans running the halls here, no way there was majority opinion on that. Even it there were, it's on you if you act on bad advice.
The old adage goes something like "free advice is worth every penny..."
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts