Simone Biles gymnastic controversy . 3 Countries object to scoring

jamin wrote:

I agree. Maybe I don't "get" gymnastics, but in past Olympics I recall being able to estimate what a score would be, or at least tell who did better than who. This one it's like I'm watching with my family and we're all cringing at Biles' bauched landings and feeling bad for her when she clearly looks devasted after her turn. Score pops on the screen: 14.X higher than anyone else. We're all confused. Then it's Jade's turn and everything looks to be in the same ballpark of difficulty and looks executed flawlessly. We look at each and laugh when a score of 12.X shows on the screen.

Huh, Carey got 15.166 on both her vaults I think, and got a higher E score than Biles on the 6.0 D vault. Biles nailed her second (5.8) vault. Again, height and distance affect the E score in addition to form and landing.

Don't feed the troll. The OP is obviously a lie that too many lapped up.

I honestly cannot believe you watched the competition and think Biles was not by far the best unless all you place all your evaluation on if she stuck her landings.

She is clearly better than everyone else. She gets more height and distance her form is much better than all the other women.

Fake controversy.

apples to pears wrote:

Trevor Bauer wrote:

Skinner performed the same exact vault as Biles and executed better but was scored about 3 tenths lower.

Yeah, but they also looked like completely different vaults. Biles was like 5 feet higher and it just looked so much more impressive for some reason. I didn't even know it was the same vault until the judges said so. I don't know if that actually matters for scoring though.

+1

height and distance from the table are highly valued

Probably not wrote:

I don't really get it either.

My only take is that it seems like Biles has pretty much broken gymnastics by doing a bunch of tricks that nobody else can do. I can only take the judges word that she deserves the highest score.

Hopefully she's on her game come the finals so this whole conversation is moot.

This is it right? Everyone else should get good and catch up.

To me it makes sense that executing a more challenge routine 90% effectively is better than an average one 100%. Otherwise everyone would just do one really easy routine perfectly and we'd be splitting hairs all the way down.

Harambe wrote:

Probably not wrote:

I don't really get it either.

My only take is that it seems like Biles has pretty much broken gymnastics by doing a bunch of tricks that nobody else can do. I can only take the judges word that she deserves the highest score.

Hopefully she's on her game come the finals so this whole conversation is moot.

This is it right? Everyone else should get good and catch up.

To me it makes sense that executing a more challenge routine 90% effectively is better than an average one 100%. Otherwise everyone would just do one really easy routine perfectly and we'd be splitting hairs all the way down.

Correct. The FIG makes the rules as to credit a skill gets. Connect the skills and you get bonus points. This code of points credits big difficulty. Simone doesn't do all of her hardest skills perfectly. But they are worth so much that the deductions that are taken for out of bounds and extra steps are still worth the risk.

ReallybroReally wrote:

Trevor Bauer wrote:

Terrible landing on the balance beam as well. She has failed miserably on all 3 routines so far.

I don't know if you are really this ignorant, but while the landing is easy to observe, there is a lot more to each of the events than the landing. On the rest of the performance, Biles is head and shoulders above almost everyone, both in difficulty and execution.

There was nothing to note about the rest of the routine. The execution during the routines were good for both her and the other US gymnasts. Biles messed up all her landings while the other US gymnasts were landing well. Bills was still receive a better execution score. I'm not talking about the difficulty score. I am talking about the execution score. The other US women were executing better but were being given lower execution scores. This was very obvious.

John Kimball wrote:

ReallybroReally wrote:

I don't know if you are really this ignorant, but while the landing is easy to observe, there is a lot more to each of the events than the landing. On the rest of the performance, Biles is head and shoulders above almost everyone, both in difficulty and execution.

There was nothing to note about the rest of the routine. The execution during the routines were good for both her and the other US gymnasts. Biles messed up all her landings while the other US gymnasts were landing well. Biles would still receive a better execution score. I'm not talking about the difficulty score. I am talking about the execution score. The other US women were executing better but were being given lower execution scores. This was very obvious.

fixed

Hopefully with these objections early on in the Competition the judges will take a step back and be more objective otherwise there will be more protests. Hey I’m rooting for her but basically sick of all the hype. She’s not the whole team. And why did we need to see a commercial about her at the track Olympic Trials??

John Kimball wrote:

ReallybroReally wrote:

I don't know if you are really this ignorant, but while the landing is easy to observe, there is a lot more to each of the events than the landing. On the rest of the performance, Biles is head and shoulders above almost everyone, both in difficulty and execution.

There was nothing to note about the rest of the routine. The execution during the routines were good for both her and the other US gymnasts. Biles messed up all her landings while the other US gymnasts were landing well. Bills was still receive a better execution score. I'm not talking about the difficulty score. I am talking about the execution score. The other US women were executing better but were being given lower execution scores. This was very obvious.

Exactly, it's fixed. Make Biles win or BLM will burn your house down.

If you can execute harder routines at the same level your opponents are executing easier routines, you win. That's the advantage. But you should NOT be rewarded for doing harder routines significantly WORSE than your opponents are executing their routines.

It's like a basketball team shooting harder shots and missing them, but the refs giving them points for difficulty. Yeah you missed the halfcourt 3 point shot, but it's a tough one so we'll give you a free point.

John Kimball wrote:

Biles messed up all her landings while the other US gymnasts were landing well. Bills was still receive a better execution score. I'm not talking about the difficulty score. I am talking about the execution score. The other US women were executing better but were being given lower execution scores.

Mmmmmm no, think ur missing the point. Her height is much greater than theirs. She gets up a good few feet higher. Execution isn't just about landing.

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Simone Biles is the most high-profile athlete coming into these Olympics. She's too big to fail. Especially in a preliminary qualifying round. There's too much on the line. She must advance.

Trevor Bauer wrote:

I will say that I watched the floor exercise and several of the US girls were given lower execution scores than Biles even though they didn't make any mistakes and Biles went completely out of bounds.

McCallum and Chiles performed before Biles. How were their scores affected by Biles' performance? (Lee had a higher execution score. So did Carey.)

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Trevor Bauer wrote:

I will say that I watched the floor exercise and several of the US girls were given lower execution scores than Biles even though they didn't make any mistakes and Biles went completely out of bounds.

McCallum and Chiles performed before Biles. How were their scores affected by Biles' performance? (Lee had a higher execution score. So did Carey.)

Shhh you're gonna ruin the narrative!

It seems the conspiracy theorists believe all of your execution is determined by your landing.

For all of you who watch gymnastics every 4 years, you sound like track "fans" who watch the Oly final and want to know why the winning time was so slow. Or those who watch a bike race and can't figure out why someone doesn't just ride off of the front and win.

You don't even know what you don't know about the code of points, how deductions are taken, and how skills are score.

Because you don't understand it, it must be fixed.

gymwatcher wrote:

For all of you who watch gymnastics every 4 years, you sound like track "fans" who watch the Oly final and want to know why the winning time was so slow. Or those who watch a bike race and can't figure out why someone doesn't just ride off of the front and win.

You don't even know what you don't know about the code of points, how deductions are taken, and how skills are score.

Because you don't understand it, it must be fixed.

Did you watch the women’s cycling road race???

gymwatcher wrote:

For all of you who watch gymnastics every 4 years, you sound like track "fans" who watch the Oly final and want to know why the winning time was so slow. Or those who watch a bike race and can't figure out why someone doesn't just ride off of the front and win.

You don't even know what you don't know about the code of points, how deductions are taken, and how skills are score.

Because you don't understand it, it must be fixed.

My non-expert understanding about gymnastics scoring is that it is like figure skating. The scores are lifetime achievement scoring. The same judges follow the international circuit and judge routines based on the preponderance of performances over the past season or two.

If height and distance are highly valued, then why aren't they measured? You say Biles was higher but I think someone else was higher. The whole sport is being exposed as a farce.

It’s good to know Olympic gymnastic judges from across the world were all briefed on this global plan and decided to comply.