Could we hit 200,000 cases per day?

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

This is just not true. You have just wholly resorted to lying now.

Which part? I haven't met anyone else who isn't getting vaccinated only because they don't want the mRNA vaccine.

I'd say that new tech is just about the only reason I've heard. Now, I'll grant you that I'm on the East Coast and almost all of my friends are college educated, from urban areas, but of a wide variety of ethnicities. Probably 90% of the people I know were immediately vaccinated when it became available to them.

Of the people I know who are holding out, they almost always say that this is a novel mechanism for widespread use in humans and we don't know long-term consequences. Nothing they said there is really disputable, even if I do believe they are overestimating the potential downside of vaccination vs. the risks of COVID. I've heard (very rarely) a few people say, "I trust my immune system," but that's someone you probably aren't going to convince to ever get vaccinated. But most people who are holding out are doing so because they aren't willing to put an experimental drug in their body. Full authorization, not expected until January, will probably help convince some of these people.

[quote]Harambe wrote:

[quote]Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

I have seen no evidence that people are particularly concerned about the safety of mRNA vaccines over other modalities.

Not sure why you think the word modalities makes sense in this context but if you see no evidence people do not trust the vaccines you are as blind as a Wuhan bat

mo·dal·i·ty

/mōˈdalədē/

noun

1.

modal quality:

"the harmony had a touch of modality"

2.

a particular mode in which something exists or is experienced or expressed

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

No stock, but would could ask why you two (or one) are so against having other vaccines tech options available ASAP> Logically this will improve the situation, yet you seem either vested in the mRNA or just too dumb to realize it. So what is it? You do realize that shaming people into the mRNA tech is not working anymore, correct? So what are your ideas for improving vaccination rates? Forced mRNA vaccinations? More useless guilt mongering?

Forceful communication towards fearmongers that don't understand just how safe and effective the vaccines we have ready to deploy are.. that's my choice!

J&J is fine too and that's not mRNA.

Viral vector vaccines are very similar and sketchy in that they are still turning your cells into the pathogen factories; healthy cells, not cells that get decimated like in a viral infection. Again, you seem to be either a very dishonest shill or a very low IQ person to think that because you personally have not seen something then it must not be true. As a tech whole virus vaccines have been in effective use for many decades with millions of data points to show long term safety. The vaccines you are shilling have near zero.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

No stock, but would could ask why you two (or one) are so against having other vaccines tech options available ASAP> Logically this will improve the situation, yet you seem either vested in the mRNA or just too dumb to realize it. So what is it? You do realize that shaming people into the mRNA tech is not working anymore, correct? So what are your ideas for improving vaccination rates? Forced mRNA vaccinations? More useless guilt mongering?

Forceful communication towards fearmongers that don't understand just how safe and effective the vaccines we have ready to deploy are.. that's my choice!

J&J is fine too and that's not mRNA.

What really is the reason to be against making other options available. Why are you against this? This is clearly your stance and you seem intent on trashing the idea that providing more options that are already available and in use around the world be helpful.

The Unkle wrote:

The narrative was written long ago.

You again, jeezus.

Please tell us, precisely, just WHO it is that wrote this narrative, will you please? Exactly who they are, what their agenda is, just lay it all out there for us Mr. Tinfoil Hat.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Forceful communication towards fearmongers that don't understand just how safe and effective the vaccines we have ready to deploy are.. that's my choice!

J&J is fine too and that's not mRNA.

What really is the reason to be against making other options available. Why are you against this? This is clearly your stance and you seem intent on trashing the idea that providing more options that are already available and in use around the world be helpful.

I'm not against it! I'm just against fearmongering the mRNA on top of that. Bring on more vaccines as long as they are safe and effective.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

No stock, but would could ask why you two (or one) are so against having other vaccines tech options available ASAP> Logically this will improve the situation, yet you seem either vested in the mRNA or just too dumb to realize it. So what is it? You do realize that shaming people into the mRNA tech is not working anymore, correct? So what are your ideas for improving vaccination rates? Forced mRNA vaccinations? More useless guilt mongering?

Forceful communication towards fearmongers that don't understand just how safe and effective the vaccines we have ready to deploy are.. that's my choice!.

So you are admitting you are dumb enough to keep pounding your head against the same wall? You are really losing all of the little credibility you ever had. So dumb it is sad.

If I had to choose between mRNA and greasy adjuvants I’d choose mRNA. Not that I’m scared of either…

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

What really is the reason to be against making other options available. Why are you against this? This is clearly your stance and you seem intent on trashing the idea that providing more options that are already available and in use around the world be helpful.

I'm not against it! I'm just against fearmongering the mRNA on top of that. Bring on more vaccines as long as they are safe and effective.

Then I am glad you agree that more options will help. More people should demand it and should have been for a while already.

Unkle Idiot wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

The narrative was written long ago.

You again, jeezus.

Please tell us, precisely, just WHO it is that wrote this narrative, will you please? Exactly who they are, what their agenda is, just lay it all out there for us Mr. Tinfoil Hat.

The oligarchs. The billionaire who own the media, Big Pharma, the politicians, Wall Street.

Who else?

Why still have to be explained to people?

2600 bro wrote:

If I had to choose between mRNA and greasy adjuvants I’d choose mRNA. Not that I’m scared of either…

We know this though, but your trust in a new tech does not negate another's distrust. Might as well make different options available to combat this, right?

This my help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnIQalprvR8

This is better.

Now do you understand what a script or narrative is and how this works?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yshJn7lgVsY

Unkle Idiot wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

The narrative was written long ago.

You again, jeezus.

Please tell us, precisely, just WHO it is that wrote this narrative, will you please? Exactly who they are, what their agenda is, just lay it all out there for us Mr. Tinfoil Hat.

RC Christian and the same people that spent $40 million dollars building this in 1981:

1.) Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

2.) Guide reproduction wisely—improving fitness and diversity.

3.) Unite humanity with a living new language.

4.) Rule passion—faith—tradition—and all things with tempered reason.

5.) Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

6.) Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

7.) Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

8.) Balance personal rights with social duties.

9.) Prize truth—beauty—love—seeking harmony with the infinite.

10.) Be not a cancer on the Earth—Leave room for nature—Leave room for nature.

There are many sick elite wealthy people who think ridding the world of people to save the Earth is their job and duty; it is the Thanos complex at work in real life. Don't kid yourself, nobody spent $40 on this as a joke.

$40 million

Unkle Idiot wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

The narrative was written long ago.

You again, jeezus.

Please tell us, precisely, just WHO it is that wrote this narrative, will you please? Exactly who they are, what their agenda is, just lay it all out there for us Mr. Tinfoil Hat.

Abbott and Costello: Exactly!

Asked and answered.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Viral vector vaccines are very similar and sketchy in that they are still turning your cells into the pathogen factories; healthy cells, not cells that get decimated like in a viral infection. Again, you seem to be either a very dishonest shill or a very low IQ person to think that because you personally have not seen something then it must not be true. As a tech whole virus vaccines have been in effective use for many decades with millions of data points to show long term safety. The vaccines you are shilling have near zero.

Why do you believe that mRNA and viral vector vaccines are “sketchy”?

Your links about vaccine hesitancy did not say that.

Wasn’t the oral polio vaccine a “whole virus” vaccine, and many kids actually got polio as a result? That is not possible with mRNA vaccines.

But once again, it is ironic that you push to get a Novavax vaccine which is not ready, to be approved sooner than late September, when Novavax plans to ask for approval, to replace allegedly “untested” vaccines, before Novavax trials testing is complete.

Let’s let Novavax trials take its course to completion, and let’s let Novavax ramp up production, and let’s let Novavax get FDA approval, rather than prematurely force an untested vaccine onto market for the remaining vaccine hesitant sceptics.

bodyweight plus wrote:

jecht wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/271763230697598?multi_permalinks=523450342195551&hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen

Michael Oleson is a famous scientist who has a HUGE following in FB. He's claiming 200,000 cases/day could become the norm due to Delta. Just don't cancel anything before Oct. 18, okay?

I get the need to vax and as big of a vax proponent as you'll find but some people get off on fear and bad Covid #s, like it's a twisted fantasy. He's as delusional as some of the far-right Dr. Doug Frank people too who think the vaccines have microchips in them. Radicalism is bad in both directions.

Cases are at 50k a day and doubling a bit over weekly. Within 3 weeks we’ll be back to 200k a day. The only question is whether extensive vaccination will limit the hospitalizations and deaths.

Except cases have been going down for almost a week straight and yesterday had 27k cases.