CDC: Myocarditis is 27 to 219 times more common in males Cole Hocker's age post-vaccination than expected

What’s wrong discussing it?

Could it be testostorone related since it affects women less and younger men more?

Immunology PhD here. Now consider the effects of unvaxxed COVID cases in those same people prevented or reduced in severity by the vaccine:

https://twitter.com/MarkPownall7/status/1418204187209306113?s=19

well actually wrote:

Thanks, you made me even more convinced to not get the vaccine.

https://youtu.be/zp_zNSEW1wc

Some people experience side effects? Crazy?!?!?

Have you looked at drug side effects for every drug/vaccine? EVERY one has possible side effects for people. Some people get extreme side effects from ibuprofen or acetaminophen, and can't take it. Why do you think every time you go to a doctor they make you state any known allergic reactions.??? NO drug has a 0% chance of having side effects for the entire population.

But if your argument is "it's only a 1% chance of dying" (often discounting the longer term side effects they could experience if they just have a mild case). The chance of a side effect like myocarditis is .005% , and most cases will clear up without treatment. So .005% of a side effect, or 1% of dying (not counting other complications). Still seems like an easy choice.

--2 shots in April and still alive.

rojo wrote:… I only have a lowly Econ degree and am not a trained scientist or MD, can someone with at least a PHD help me understand how these stats …

Never let ignorance get in the way of your personal liberty to make yourself look like a fool.

Rojo, don’t pretend you want to be informed by people more knowledgeable than you, that’s obviously not true.

rojo wrote:

https://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/myodcarditis.png

Since I only have a lowly Econ degree and am not a trained scientist or MD, can someone with at least a PHD help me understand how these stats clearly indicate Hocker should have been vaccinated in the middle of his season during which he was trying to qualify for the Olympics and in which he beat Covid on his own?

https://www.wired.com/story/the-cdc-owes-parents-better-messaging-on-the-vaccine-for-kids/

I caught Covid and had Myocarditis following it that stopped me running for 6 weeks and it cleared up in a similar time as the virus l, following the vaccine I had similar symptoms and it cleared up after two weeks, of the vaccine.

Looks like if you are at risk of Myocarditis then the vaccine might cause some symptoms. What I do know 6 months after the virus my 5km time is still a minute slower than my pre virus self.

Just get the vaccine, the benefit outweigh any risk. Obviously if you think you are better than everyone else then do what to want because you have free will and no one can tell you want to do…. How childish

rojo wrote:

iowakidscanrun wrote:

This is so disappointing and ignorant. I think I’ll be taking a break from letsrun

What's disappointing is your response?

How is me linking to an article in a respected Science magazine ignorant?

You clearly just don't like seeing things that question your world-view.

What's disappointing is your use of critical thinking skills! Seat belts and airbags also occasionally do more harm than good, but you don't recommend people stop using them because there is a one-in-a-million chance that they might do more harm than good

Food poisoning is also a real problem but you don't recommend someone stop eating because there is a one-in-a-million chance that the food they eat might do more harm than good

It's a ridiculous way to go about reasoning by cherry picking one piece of evidence and presenting that as a way to guide decision-making

The overwhelming evidence shows that you are thousands of times safer by getting the vaccine then by not getting the vaccine

Cole Hocker probably has a 1 in a 500 chance of getting the virus and having a serious reaction that impacts his Health significantly. He probably has a 1 in 500,000 chance of the same thing happening from the vaccine. The odds are overwhelming that he's better off getting the vaccine

Just like people are better off wearing seat belts, eating food, not smoking, and following what the basic evidence about reality tells us

Again it's ridiculous way to go about presenting evidence by cherry picking the few pieces of data that support your position and ignoring the overwhelming evidence that shows which choice is safer and healthier!

By your reasoning you could make a case for any ridiculous position from Flat earther, to we didn't land on the Moon, to ESP is real, 2 ghosts, Bigfoot .....any Fringe paranormal claim has an occasional study that supports it while the mountains of facts are against it!

Ask Julia wrote:

patient zero wrote:

Given that Hocker is confirmed for going back to school this fall and UO is requiring vaccination… how does that fit in with your current narrative?

It doesn’t fit Rojo’s narrative at all. It destroys his narrative completely.

https://health.uoregon.edu/health-requirements

you need to read between the lines;

How long does immunity last from being infected? From vaccination?

Immunity from natural infection starts to decline after 6 to 8 months. We know that fully vaccinated people still have good immunity after a year—and probably longer.

so we had significant numbers of fully vaccinated people a year ago, exposed in double blinded tests etc to be able to say this?

bs

The article from wired isn't science and the cited studies aren't very informative, think Dr. Oz and not Dr. Fauci.

The MMWR article linked here is a better piece of analysis and is confined to an American population.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm

the best current estimate of post-vaccine myocarditis rate seem to be near 50-60 cases/million second dose of mRNA in males `12-24 years old. And yes there was and still is concern about myocarditis/pericarditis related to the virus itself. Fortunately, confirmed cases of COVID-related myocarditis seemed to follow the typical cause of myocarditis and inflammation improved with time.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2770645/

It is disingenuous to trumpet the risks of any intervention without talking about the benefits.

rundoc wrote:

It is disingenuous to trumpet the risks of any intervention without talking about the benefits.

That's all they have been doing for months.

Sad to see rojo hop on board and start editing threads to support this narrative.

2600 bro wrote:

rundoc wrote:

It is disingenuous to trumpet the risks of any intervention without talking about the benefits.

That's all they have been doing for months.

Sad to see rojo hop on board and start editing threads to support this narrative.

Good to see rojo calling out all of you murderous fearmongers.

Well done, Robert!

quote post. wrote:

You’re right Rojo, you’re not qualified to write on this. SO STOP

+1

Your clickbait topic titles which inflame people are annoying rojo.

Rojo got his clicks from fear mongering and won't post again in this thread. How despicable.

rojo wrote:

iowakidscanrun wrote:

This is so disappointing and ignorant. I think I’ll be taking a break from letsrun

What's disappointing is your response?

How is me linking to an article in a respected Science magazine ignorant?

You clearly just don't like seeing things that question your world-view.

The pro vaccine crowd does not want to be given facts that run counter to the pro vaccine narrative. They react irrationally.

The Baltimore Orioles number 1 draft pick from 2020 still hasn’t played yet because he is still dealing with the after effects of myocarditis from Covid. There was a running back on the Jaguars whose career was ended from the after effects of Covid. Just get the damn shot.

Eyes are looking Goodr wrote:

The Baltimore Orioles number 1 draft pick from 2020 still hasn’t played yet because he is still dealing with the after effects of myocarditis from Covid. There was a running back on the Jaguars whose career was ended from the after effects of Covid. Just get the damn shot.

Why do you suddenly care about people?

Isn't it the unvaccinated who are dying?

Let people choose and mind your own business.

1% chance of dying from Covid is you don't get the vax?

How do you arrive at that number?

If we are doing personal experience:

No vax, have been fine the entire time. As has everyone in my family, all my neighbors, co-workers, everyone who works in my bldg.

Never had a flu shot. Never had the flu.

No shingles vax, no shingles.

No tetanus shot, no lockjaw

Eyes are looking Goodr wrote:

The Baltimore Orioles number 1 draft pick from 2020 still hasn’t played yet because he is still dealing with the after effects of myocarditis from Covid. There was a running back on the Jaguars whose career was ended from the after effects of Covid. Just get the damn shot.

Myocarditis is not a big deal if it comes from the Vax.

If it comes from the Covid -- the skies are falling.

Classic double standard of the fear pushers

[quote]its only 5k wrote:

[quote]rojo wrote:

https://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/myodcarditis.png

I caught Covid and had Myocarditis following it that stopped me running for 6 weeks and it cleared up in a similar time as the virus l, following the vaccine I had similar symptoms and it cleared up after two weeks, of the vaccine.

Why would you get the vax after already having and recovering from Covid?