CDC: Myocarditis is 27 to 219 times more common in males Cole Hocker's age post-vaccination than expected

ehwgtw wrote:

Epic burn was your stupid reference to George Washington. And "bro"? LMAO

I am not your brother, praise the Lord.

It is well established blah blah blah, your usual crap.

An athlete I know, with two Pfizer vaccines, tested positive (completely asymptomatic) and he no cannot even go to Tokyo to compete.

So you see, monkey brain, what is well established is that you are a manipulative fearmonger who lies whenever it suits your narrative.

Try telling the truth and actually list facts and not your crap.

This is not hard, shlt for brains.

It’s a fact that GW required immunizations for his troops. Look it up my dude

And yes what about “reducing the chance of” is so hard to understand.

Funny how you write off all my logic and evidence so you can continue on your dogmatic unsupported tirades. Mildly embarrassing for you but You lack the self awareness to realize. Denier-fearmonger standard stuff.

What's your source for 1-2% on anaphylaxis cases being reported to VAERS? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33039207/ Results: VAERS sensitivity for capturing anaphylaxis after seven different vaccines ranged from 13 to 76% I'd be shocked if Covid reporting rates weren't substantially higher. Again there's no way only 1-2% of myocarditis cases from Covid have been reported to VARES.

Time5k wrote:

What's your source for 1-2% on anaphylaxis cases being reported to VAERS?

Results: VAERS sensitivity for capturing anaphylaxis after seven different vaccines ranged from 13 to 76%

I'd be shocked if Covid reporting rates weren't substantially higher. Again there's no way only 1-2% of myocarditis cases from Covid have been reported to VARES.

That study simply compares one method of reporting to another method of reporting to determine the reporting rate difference between the two. When looking at research that focused on and counted anaphylaxis cases from *test subjects* who received the COVID vaccines, the VAERS reporting rate was shown to be 1-2%.

The CDC said that anaphylaxis from COVID vaccine is 2 to 5 per million:

This study of 64,900 individuals looked specifically at subjects meeting the criteria for anaphylaxis after COVID vaccine and found a rate of 354 per million. It didn’t look at another reporting database, but at test subjects in the study. That is basically a 1-2% reporting rate.

One of the first things the CDC looked at was deaths reporting rate and found it below 2%.

Again, I think those are reasonable accurate reporting rates. But if someone wants to use 0.5% or 5% or 10% or 20% for some reason, they will still need to divide the reported cases by the reporting rate. If they don’t then I would stay far away from their analysis whether it is a govt agency or not.

ImpaIa31 wrote:

quote post. wrote:

NOPE! You’re wrong

The thread has not ended, as you can see.

Keep those tears coming.

Go Cole!

The sad part here is that wejo and rojo as the owners of this site have tremendous power over the content. Not only can they dictate the content that will be discussed, but their posts are the most read and responded to. But with this power, comes greater responsibility and they have not lived up to that responsibility.

They are educated, smart guys and they know our huge percentage of unvaccinated adults (caused by disinformation) makes our country very vulnerable to a covid resurgence. I believe a post from either or both of them highlighting all the medical validation and need for everyone to get a vaccination would carry an impact on this board. It would counter much of the disinformation encouraging adults to not get vaccinated.

Yet we don't see that. We see threads addressing some minor issue but always with an anti-vaccination theme.

Wejo and Rojo could have an impact and do some good. But even if they agree with the benefit of everyone vaccinated, it hard for them to want to state something that seems to support (maybe in their minds) the liberal elites. But They need to do the right thing. They do have influence.

COVID-19 vaccine event reporting rates are MUCH higher to VAERS because healthcare providers are now required to report an severe adverse event regardless of causation:

This was never the case for previous vaccines.

Anti-vax fearmongers know this but still spam VAERS myths all day. Go figure.

Healthcare providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination [under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)], and other adverse events if later revised by CDC:

Vaccine administration errors, whether or not associated with an adverse event (AE)

Serious AEs regardless of causality. Serious AEs per FDA are defined as:

Death;

A life-threatening AE;

Inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization;

A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions;

A congenital anomaly/birth defect;

An important medical event that based on appropriate medical judgement may jeopardize the individual and may require medical or surgical intervention to prevent one of the outcomes listed above.

Cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome

Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html

The vast majority of people who test positive never get sick.

Nearly all of the so called Covid deaths are of people who were going to die soon without Covid.

To think that the elites are taking away our freedoms , our lifestyles, our jobs and businesses for our own good is simply nuts.

I call for the banning of Harambe and the other shills

The Unkle wrote:

The vast majority of people who test positive never get sick.

Nearly all of the so called Covid deaths are of people who were going to die soon without Covid.

To think that the elites are taking away our freedoms , our lifestyles, our jobs and businesses for our own good is simply nuts.

I call for the banning of Harambe and the other shills

Take a minute and really think about where this country would be right now, if no one got vaccinated. Is that what any thinking person would really want?

2600 bro wrote:

COVID-19 vaccine event reporting rates are MUCH higher to VAERS because healthcare providers are now required to report an severe adverse event regardless of causation:

Can anyone in a medical profession confirm that this is being done? It doesn't appear to be because deaths aren't being reported regardless of causation. Here's the raw data. These deaths aren't appearing in VAERS. (All numbers are rounded or estimates.)

Age 80+ population: ~12.5 million

Age 80+ vaccination rate: ~75% or about 9.4 million so far

Annual mortality at age 80: ~5% (obviously it gets higher as seniors get older)

Annual mortality in the 9.4 million vaccinated to date: ~470,000

.... From here on, we have to make some assumptions: How many 80+ were vaxxed in Jan? How many in Feb, and so on?

Obviously, the 80+ cohort was vaxxed sooner than younger age groups, but to keep the math simple, let's just assume an equal number were vaxxed in Jan, Feb, March, etc... or 1.357 million in Jan, Feb, Mar, etc

The Jan group (1.357 million) has been vaxxed for 6 months, the Feb group for 5 months, etc.

The Jan group would has experienced 34,000 all cause deaths. The Feb group: 28k deaths. The March group: 22k deaths. April: 17k. May: 11k. June: 5k.

Total all cause deaths in the 80+ vaccinated cohort so far this year: 117k

Now, let's look at the age 70-79 cohort. Annual mortality is ~2%, but the population is 23 million... so let's make a ballpark estimate that all cause deaths among the 70-79 population would be 80-100k.

Do the math

80,000+117,000=~200,000 all cause deaths in 70+ vaccinated persons so far this year.

Obviously, so of these deaths were accidents, some were terminally ill, but that still leaves tens of thousands of unreported deaths that are required to be reported into VAERS.

It's obviously not being done.

The sad part is if someone doesn't get the jab and gets the virus, who are they passing it on to? Who is vulnerable if over half the population has had the jab? Everybody has had the fake vaccine who wanted to get it and those who haven't positively had the opportunity to get it and chose not to?

You are part of the vaccinated (caused by disinformation) that makes our country very vulnerable to the affects of the jab. Do you know, truly know, how many people have died from the jab? I bet you are misinformed and only choose to believe links that fit your narrative, eh? You truly sound misinformed to me, and probably not highly educated. Your last small paragraph is poorly written.

the true read wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

The vast majority of people who test positive never get sick.

Nearly all of the so called Covid deaths are of people who were going to die soon without Covid.

To think that the elites are taking away our freedoms , our lifestyles, our jobs and businesses for our own good is simply nuts.

I call for the banning of Harambe and the other shills

Take a minute and really think about where this country would be right now, if no one got vaccinated. Is that what any thinking person would really want?

We'd be far better off is my expectation.

fisky wrote:

Obviously, so of these deaths were accidents, some were terminally ill, but that still leaves tens of thousands of unreported deaths that are required to be reported into VAERS.

It's obviously not being done.

I think the key is "after COVID-19 vaccination" which requires some judgement on behalf of the healthcare provider. In any case, it makes sense that reporting rates would extremely high given the unprecedented scope and scale of this vaccination campaign.

joed|rt wrote:

He already had COVID? Knowing that vaccination for those who have already had COVID confers no additional benefit and puts one at increased risk of an adverse vaccine event, why is anybody advocating for him to get the jab?

If he had it, no one should be advocating the vaccine. Except an idiot perhaps. He has immunity already. And assuming he did indeed have COVID, getting the vaccine puts him at much higher risk of myocarditis, which if he got, would likely crash his chances of running well. Not worth the risk, and there are no upsides to it. If he feels the need to pacify the snowflakes, he can wear a mask and live in a bubble till he gets to the starting line.

Again with the historical half truth.

Yawn^9 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

It’s a fact that GW required immunizations for his troops. Look it up my dude

And yes what about “reducing the chance of” is so hard to understand.

Funny how you write off all my logic and evidence so you can continue on your dogmatic unsupported tirades. Mildly embarrassing for you but You lack the self awareness to realize. Denier-fearmonger standard stuff.

Again with the historical half truth.

Nothing I said was wrong. You're just mad you got owned.

You never acknowledged that George Washington forbid current enlisted soldiers to be vaccinated. He didn’t want the vaccinations for current men because, wait for it, the vaccination process temporarily weakened soldiers.

For a science lover you really don’t understand science. So yes, you were wrong.

Yawn^9 wrote:

You never acknowledged that George Washington forbid current enlisted soldiers to be vaccinated. He didn’t want the vaccinations for current men because, wait for it, the vaccination process temporarily weakened soldiers.

For a science lover you really don’t understand science. So yes, you were wrong.

Once again... this is not making the point you think you are making.

You remind me of another formerly prolific poster who started off somewhat coherent but after a few months slowly slid downhill into just nonsense spamposting.

We're here for you bro.

I am far from always agreeing with you rojo but I do when you support Hocker´s decision not to get vaccinated before Tokyo.

I will add the following:

When people here discuss how rare myocarditis is for young vaccinated men it is important to remember that the VAERS reporting system is wellknown to greatly underestimate the real number of side effects. 2 American scientific studies (1 of the from Harward) have concluded that only about 1-2 % of the real side effects are reported.

The latest data from CDC shows 383 cases of Myocarditis and Pericarditis (a very similar heart condition) were reported to VAERS in ONE WEEK. If we assume that these numbers are greatly underreported (according to the above mentioned studies you can increase the numbers 50-100 times to 19,150-38,300) it isn´t a risk to be ignored.

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Somebody mentioned in the other rojo thread about Hocker not getting the vaccine that the 550,000+ death from the COVID 19 wasn´t a joke. I agree that every death is sad BUT.......................

I thought is was wellknown that these death numbers are greatly inflated. CDC has published statistics showing that around 95% of the persons who has died "WITH" COVID 19 had other serious illnesses ( 4 other such illnesses in average). If we only count the cases where COVID 19 was the only illness we are talking about less than 30,000 fatalities. With that in mind we can hardly call it a PANDEMIC!

Jeeves wrote:

"That is a 1 in 20,000 chance (at most) of experiencing myocarditis. Most cases of said myocarditis resolve without complication."

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Please, provide some documentation!

See my previous post and the other 900 posts about VAERS here.

VAERS is quite different for COVID-19 vaccines. There’s a requirement to report regardless of causality.