Flagpole wrote:
Steve prefontainee wrote:
Ebola?
Jesus dude. It's a flu that hits 80 year obese people extra hard.
Enough BS already
Nope! It's not a "flu". That is just factually incorrect.
The broken clock strikes again!
flu = influenza
covid = coronavirus
Well done Flagpole!
InquiringMinds wrote:
But what if COVID, in its current state and statistics, caused you to bleed through your eyeballs or nose or rot your skin off but killed and injured at the same rate, would this change the mentality of the population with regards to lockdowns, masks, and vaccines?
Yes, obviously. It is completely understandable why someone would not want to be vaccinated against a disease that causes loss of taste and smell for a few days (if that). I think that most people would opt for a vaccine if they risked blood coming out of their eyeballs even if there was a low likelihood of death.
The worst flu year since the 1960s was 2017-18 with 61k deaths estimated. Over ten times that have died in the U.S. of COVID already, 623,000. How are they even remotely comparable?
Duh. Everyone would get vaccinated if they got terrible symptoms.
China Joe wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
I suspect the “death is actually good” crowd might change their tune but who knows! Lots of LRC posters seem pretty hard set in that belief.
If covid had a high death rate in the "healthy" population, then I would be scared. But it's not. It affects the fat, diseased and old, who were already at a much higher risk of death before covid.
Maybe funnel some of this misplaced anger on the people who created and spread the virus as well as the politicians and bureaucrats that covered it up for political gain, instead of normal people who don't want to wear masks that are ineffective and take vaccines they don't need. It's amazing that you don't see how you were manipulated to turn against your fellow citizens by the same politicians who caused this entire mess in the first place. It's been proven that Fauci's actions caused the pandemic by funding the Wuhan lab. Why do we never see you talking about that?
Conservatives and abdicating personal responsibility... name a more iconic duo.
Unintentional lab like from WIV a is a likely possibility. Zoonotic transfer is another likely possibility. Gain of function engineering and then accidental leak is less like. Intentional engineering and release is very unlikely.
Claiming you have "proof" of any of these or that it's all Fauci's fault is just trolling.
xczvzxcv wrote:
The worst flu year since the 1960s was 2017-18 with 61k deaths estimated. Over ten times that have died in the U.S. of COVID already, 623,000. How are they even remotely comparable?
The case fatality rate for someone in their 40s is similar to that of influenza. The case fatality rate for those under 40 is less than that of influenza. That is how the two are similar.
DoctorInspector wrote:
xczvzxcv wrote:
The worst flu year since the 1960s was 2017-18 with 61k deaths estimated. Over ten times that have died in the U.S. of COVID already, 623,000. How are they even remotely comparable?
The case fatality rate for someone in their 40s is similar to that of influenza. The case fatality rate for those under 40 is less than that of influenza. That is how the two are similar.
Before I accuse you just making stuff up. Do you have data for the Delta variant? As of December COVID was more dangerous (risk of death) than flu for all age groups and about 5X more dangerous for 40 year olds.
https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1336841338923278336?s=20Sorry I meant "as least as dangerous"
xczvzxcv wrote:
The worst flu year since the 1960s was 2017-18 with 61k deaths estimated. Over ten times that have died in the U.S. of COVID already, 623,000. How are they even remotely comparable?
By getting better numbers. You're saying Covid is over ten times as deadly as the flu. I'm not aware of any studies or authorities saying that, or that ever said that, even in the initial panic back in February-April 2020.
It varies depending on location, age, and other factors, but I believe the infection fatality rate of Covid is estimated to be twice that of the flu (and probably getting lower all the time).
Here is some recent reporting on it.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.08.21260210v1Ebola is to Covid like a nuke to a sparkler
I find it very hard to believe that the flu or Covid kill anywhere near the official numbers
DoctorInspector wrote:
xczvzxcv wrote:
The worst flu year since the 1960s was 2017-18 with 61k deaths estimated. Over ten times that have died in the U.S. of COVID already, 623,000. How are they even remotely comparable?
The case fatality rate for someone in their 40s is similar to that of influenza. The case fatality rate for those under 40 is less than that of influenza. That is how the two are similar.
Now do the hospitalization rate.
Unfortunately we don’t have great data on long-term chronic illness as a result of infections that don’t result in a fatality, but the data we do have all suggest that COVID-19 is much more dangerous in that regard.
I also find it interesting how many anti-vaccination folks will say we “don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine” while completely ignoring that this is technically also true of natural infections.
Once you mix in the lab-leak believers (this isn’t everyone of course), this becomes extra confusing. You won’t take the vaccine that some scientists at Pfizer invented but you WILL infect yourself with some virus that you believe was manufactured in China as a weapon? Huh? It doesn’t make sense, lol.
[quote]RunRaider wrote:
[quote]DoctorInspector wrote:
[quote]xczvzxcv wrote:
You won’t take the vaccine that some scientists at Pfizer invented but you WILL infect yourself with some virus that you believe was manufactured in China as a weapon?
What a dumb comment. Nobody is taking a needle and plunging Covid into their bodies
RunRaider wrote:
DoctorInspector wrote:
The case fatality rate for someone in their 40s is similar to that of influenza. The case fatality rate for those under 40 is less than that of influenza. That is how the two are similar.
Now do the hospitalization rate.
Unfortunately we don’t have great data on long-term chronic illness as a result of infections that don’t result in a fatality, but the data we do have all suggest that COVID-19 is much more dangerous in that regard.
I also find it interesting how many anti-vaccination folks will say we “don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine” while completely ignoring that this is technically also true of natural infections.
Once you mix in the lab-leak believers (this isn’t everyone of course), this becomes extra confusing. You won’t take the vaccine that some scientists at Pfizer invented but you WILL infect yourself with some virus that you believe was manufactured in China as a weapon? Huh? It doesn’t make sense, lol.
He’s just wrong too. The IFR for COVID is 5X that of flu for 40 year olds.
Covid would likely be easier to contain if it was like ebola though. Ebola is only contagious after you start to feel sick, and it's not as easy to pass on as a flu or coronavirus. It probably wouldn't become a pandemic, so I doubt widespread vaccines would even be offered.
DoctorInspector wrote:
InquiringMinds wrote:
But what if COVID, in its current state and statistics, caused you to bleed through your eyeballs or nose or rot your skin off but killed and injured at the same rate, would this change the mentality of the population with regards to lockdowns, masks, and vaccines?
Yes, obviously. It is completely understandable why someone would not want to be vaccinated against a disease that causes loss of taste and smell for a few days (if that). I think that most people would opt for a vaccine if they risked blood coming out of their eyeballs even if there was a low likelihood of death.
Then it wouldn't be called covid. It wouldn't be SARS. It would be ebola. Just stop posting. You really know nothing and you're coming off real dumb.
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]RunRaider wrote:
[quote]DoctorInspector wrote:
[quote]xczvzxcv wrote:
You won’t take the vaccine that some scientists at Pfizer invented but you WILL infect yourself with some virus that you believe was manufactured in China as a weapon?
What a dumb comment. Nobody is taking a needle and plunging Covid into their bodies
They aren’t? If an individual is unvaccinated and walking into a crowded, unventilated building in 2021 without a face mask, you’re almost certainly running a serious risk of exposure to COVID-19.
The difference is that COVID-19 is a living, self-replicating virus that will work its way throughout your body whereas an mRNA vaccine dose is a synthetic protein that stays within your muscle tissue until it degrades after a couple weeks.
If the Wuhan Virus had the same kill-rate as Ebola, I would have locked myself in my apartment for the last 18 months and I would be pushing old people out of line when an experimental vaccine became available.
The Wuhan Virus is simply nearly as lethal. Our society's overreaction has been significantly more damaging than the so-called pandemic of a slightly-more-lethal seasonal flu.
The blame runs the spectrum from Mr. Fauci to your local soccer mom Karen but is nearly exclusively on the Left.
xczvzxcv wrote:
The worst flu year since the 1960s was 2017-18 with 61k deaths estimated. Over ten times that have died in the U.S. of COVID already, 623,000. How are they even remotely comparable?
You actually trust those numbers?