Can you recover in 9 days, yes of course. But should you have to, is another question.
Can you recover in 9 days, yes of course. But should you have to, is another question.
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No, I was never interested in coaching.
But to argue this is a dumb idea is silly. Centro is the REIGNING GOLD MEDALIST. That means that anything less than another medal is a disappointment.
From my experience, 8-10 days out from target is a perfect time for a very hard tuneup, and clearly Jerry and Matt think that a sustained, fast pace is likely in this Olympic final (a rarity, but with Tim C a likelihood).
They are thinking GOLD, nothing less (though I’m sure Matt will be somewhat satisfied with the lesser medals). If he can go through 1500 during this “time trial” in < 331 and continue, even without all the adrenaline of the real target, that will be huge for his confidence come the day of the Olympic final, and he will know he is ready for anything within reason (unless Tim goes sub 3:29 in the final, which MAY happen but is unlikely).
Can’t wait, go Centro!
Furthermore, their perspective is this:
May this burn him out? Maybe! (Unlikely). But with his prior success, he has nothing to lose. He is all in on repeating, and if he feels ready enough to attempt an American record, he just may have the fitness to do so.
Total balls to the walls mentality, and I wish more pro runners had that.
Swedish Pride wrote:
Can you recover in 9 days, yes of course. But should you have to, is another question.
This comment doesn’t actually mean anything. It is a decent sounding sound bite completely devoid of meaning. This is pretty binary…
Can he completely recover and get benefit from the effort both physically and mentally? I can pretty much promise you that every one of the contenders is doing something serious 10 days out. It sounds like Matt thinks he will get the most bang for his buck with a hard race effort.
Will there be a Wavelight in this attempt ???
Tastes Like Chicken wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
He now decides to do this before the trials...
I think you meant the Games, not the trials.
His race on Saturday night is just 9 days before the first round of the men's 1500 in Tokyo. They start around 9 AM Tuesday the 3d, which is 5 PM Monday the 2nd in Portland.
i think the bigger issue would be jet lag in tokyo or other traveling issues since he is showing up so late. two things are for certain...centro is a vet (should know what he is doing in regards to peaking/traveling) and he has a huge ego. so he must be feeling confident about this plan and how it will go. there hasnt really been a time trial scenario for US runners recently (last year had the 5k/10k events) so im excited and hope he does well. i would be surprised if he dips below 348, but around there would still be a PR and firmly put him in the medal conversation (behind clear favorites tim/jakob) and he would still have one of the best kicks in any final scenario.
Tastes Like Chicken wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
He now decides to do this before the trials...
I think you meant the Games, not the trials.
His race on Saturday night is just 9 days before the first round of the men's 1500 in Tokyo. They start around 9 AM Tuesday the 3d, which is 5 PM Monday the 2nd in Portland.
Ya I noticed the typo right after submitting. We need edit! I mainly take issue with the word “just”. 9 days is plenty of time. Agree that jet lag is probably the biggest worry.
highhoppingworm wrote:
Swedish Pride wrote:
Can you recover in 9 days, yes of course. But should you have to, is another question.
This comment doesn’t actually mean anything. It is a decent sounding sound bite completely devoid of meaning. This is pretty binary…
Can he completely recover and get benefit from the effort both physically and mentally? I can pretty much promise you that every one of the contenders is doing something serious 10 days out. It sounds like Matt thinks he will get the most bang for his buck with a hard race effort.
Everyone of the contenders is doing a mile TT at target 3:46 pace 9 days before the prelims?
Utter BS!
Swedish Pride wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
This comment doesn’t actually mean anything. It is a decent sounding sound bite completely devoid of meaning. This is pretty binary…
Can he completely recover and get benefit from the effort both physically and mentally? I can pretty much promise you that every one of the contenders is doing something serious 10 days out. It sounds like Matt thinks he will get the most bang for his buck with a hard race effort.
Everyone of the contenders is doing a mile TT at target 3:46 pace 9 days before the prelims?
Utter BS!
He said, “ I can pretty much promise you that every one of the contenders is doing something serious 10 days out” and he is most likely right, some may even be doing harder workouts than a race and then coasting to prelims. 10 days out is the “best” time out for a race simulator or predictor workout and I’m assuming most pros take advantage of that.
NWARunner wrote:
Swedish Pride wrote:
Everyone of the contenders is doing a mile TT at target 3:46 pace 9 days before the prelims?
Utter BS!
He said, “ I can pretty much promise you that every one of the contenders is doing something serious 10 days out” and he is most likely right, some may even be doing harder workouts than a race and then coasting to prelims. 10 days out is the “best” time out for a race simulator or predictor workout and I’m assuming most pros take advantage of that.
Oh come on please. He STRONGLY implied other contenders were doing workouts of the same caliber as a 3:46 mile TT.
Hard workouts, no problem 9 days out. But you do know that it is very different from an all out race effort, right?
Swedish Pride wrote:
NWARunner wrote:
He said, “ I can pretty much promise you that every one of the contenders is doing something serious 10 days out” and he is most likely right, some may even be doing harder workouts than a race and then coasting to prelims. 10 days out is the “best” time out for a race simulator or predictor workout and I’m assuming most pros take advantage of that.
Oh come on please. He STRONGLY implied other contenders were doing workouts of the same caliber as a 3:46 mile TT.
Hard workouts, no problem 9 days out. But you do know that it is very different from an all out race effort, right?
I didn't even remotely imply that. I implied that other contenders were putting in a hard effort 10 days out. I see nothing in what I wrote that could be taken that way. You are just biased based on the line of argument you are pursuing.
Haha sure, whatever.
Anyways, what i said (and others) still stands: it's a brave move, commendable even, but it carries some risks, risks that other contenders are not taking (TT season was the diamond league).
What is the risk/reward ratio here?
What's the altitude where he's doing the attempt? I know a 3:46.91 is worth a 3:30.25 1500 so if he break it, it sends a clear message that regardless of the pace at the games he'll be in contention. I just hope it's a legit attempt and not something where he goes out hard the first 800 and then cruises third lap, kicks last lap and ends up with a 3:48-49.
Jeff Thies can pace him. 54 first lap.
Ryan Foreman wrote:
It seems a strange thing for Centro to do at this time. Is this an indicator of what he expects in the Olympic race? Is Centro preparing himself for the Kenyans to go out at a blistering pace from start to finish to break the field?
Is it a bad thing to prepare for anything?
The rounds of the US Trials prepared him for the Olympic rounds and the usual sit and kick.
A hard all out mile effort will prepare him for a situation where they take it out hard from the gun.
Star wrote:
Ryan Foreman wrote:
It seems a strange thing for Centro to do at this time. Is this an indicator of what he expects in the Olympic race? Is Centro preparing himself for the Kenyans to go out at a blistering pace from start to finish to break the field?
Is it a bad thing to prepare for anything?
The rounds of the US Trials prepared him for the Olympic rounds and the usual sit and kick.
A hard all out mile effort will prepare him for a situation where they take it out hard from the gun.
I agree, and i like this attitude. It shows great determination and maturity to work on your own weaknesses.
However, would he not have been better off doing this a few weeks ago during the diamond league or other us-based races?
The "message" and mental boost would be the same, but it would be less risky.
Swedish Pride wrote:
Haha sure, whatever.
Anyways, what i said (and others) still stands: it's a brave move, commendable even, but it carries some risks, risks that other contenders are not taking (TT season was the diamond league).
What is the risk/reward ratio here?
Some of you seem to have lost perspective. These are foot races. Centro ain’t curing cancer here. Why do you people care so much? Centro is having fun. Can you not enjoy the spectacle without questioning his every move?
Troothsayer wrote:
Swedish Pride wrote:
Haha sure, whatever.
Anyways, what i said (and others) still stands: it's a brave move, commendable even, but it carries some risks, risks that other contenders are not taking (TT season was the diamond league).
What is the risk/reward ratio here?
Some of you seem to have lost perspective. These are foot races. Centro ain’t curing cancer here. Why do you people care so much? Centro is having fun. Can you not enjoy the spectacle without questioning his every move?
Yes sure let him have fun.... during "fun" season.
It's the olympics we're talking about. He has a responsibility towards his country, his sponsor, his coach and club.
Why not do the attempt after the OG, if it's just for the fun part?
Swedish Pride wrote:
I agree, and i like this attitude. It shows great determination and maturity to work on your own weaknesses.
However, would he not have been better off doing this a few weeks ago during the diamond league or other us-based races?
The "message" and mental boost would be the same, but it would be less risky.
There is no risk in running one hard mile 9 days before you want to be at your peak.
And he used the time between the Trials and this effort to stay at his home base and simply train. Traveling to race during that time seems like more of a risk to me.