Centro American Record Attempt - 7/24

Centro's SBs:

2019: 800m - 1:46, 1500m - 3:32.

2021: 800m - 1:46, mile - 3:49 (converts to 3:32 1500m)

Centro at WC in Doha 2019: 8th place

Centro at OG in Tokyo 2021: ?

Jakob C. Hocker wrote:That third lap 'failure' at world record pace was success for his muscle memory.

Wow, so much stupid in one little sentence.

"muscle memory" from running one lap in which he was already fading.

"world record pace" lol

"success" no

10/10 for polishing a turd in the most embarrassingly fan girl way possible.

Denim wrote:

Jakob C. Hocker wrote:That third lap 'failure' at world record pace was success for his muscle memory.

Wow, so much stupid in one little sentence.

"muscle memory" from running one lap in which he was already fading.

"world record pace" lol

"success" no

10/10 for polishing a turd in the most embarrassingly fan girl way possible.

Better hope his muscles forget that race.

I'm stumped wrote:

What was his 1500 time? The bootlicking announcers said they would have it but I never heard it.

I'll bet it was around 3:33 or 3:34 which is why no one is talking about it.

Probably low 3:33 , but he was already cooked a couple hundred yards before, slowing down dramatically

Tough crowd. It's an internet board. I'll take my lumps.

How many of you think that Centro is on a plane today dueling too long on his shortcomings and focusing on what’s wrong?

He went out. Got roughed up when an essential part of the plan fell apart (Pacers), he ran a painful third lap. Instead of quitting, he pressed onward to #5 US. Based on the BTC posts, that's high confidence heading into the Tokyo rounds. Rather than dwelling on what didn't work, Centro skipped to what’s right and will let that sink in.

That's a very important characteristic for success.

Jakob C. Hocker wrote:

Tough crowd. It's an internet board. I'll take my lumps.

How many of you think that Centro is on a plane today dueling too long on his shortcomings and focusing on what’s wrong?

He went out. Got roughed up when an essential part of the plan fell apart (Pacers), he ran a painful third lap. Instead of quitting, he pressed onward to #5 US. Based on the BTC posts, that's high confidence heading into the Tokyo rounds. Rather than dwelling on what didn't work, Centro skipped to what’s right and will let that sink in.

That's a very important characteristic for success.

Wow, you know what he is thinking. Damn.

Jakob C. Hocker wrote:

I'm stumped wrote:

He died miserably over the 2nd half...1:58? There's nothing to be taken positive from that. It showed he couldn't handle a pace that most of the potential finalists can.

A 54 opening lap is unsustainable for nearly anyone not named Cheruiyot.

In Monaco Sowinski paced and came through in 54.2 400m and 1:50.7 800m. Not everyone was right with the pacers but Centro’s competition was capable of 3-4 seconds faster than him off of similar pacing

Right. Not to split hairs, but there's a difference between 440y in 54 and 400m in 54.

rhojo wrote:

Jakob C. Hocker wrote:

A 54 opening lap is unsustainable for nearly anyone not named Cheruiyot.

In Monaco Sowinski paced and came through in 54.2 400m and 1:50.7 800m. Not everyone was right with the pacers but Centro’s competition was capable of 3-4 seconds faster than him off of similar pacing

Similar scenario in Doha and Stockholm. Fast 400 in 54-55, 800 in 1:51-1:52.

Tim ahead, but a pack close behind.

Jakob C. Hocker wrote:

Right. Not to split hairs, but there's a difference between 440y in 54 and 400m in 54.

About 0.25-0.3 seconds

Next Mile record holder will be Hocker in a year or two. Kid is very talented hopefully he can stay injury free.

Jakob C. Hocker wrote:

So because that didn't work out, Centro is a failure heading to Tokyo?

You’re on Letsrun message board. If you perform well you’re doped up and if you don’t your done and go home devistated .

There is no in between on this board.

I'm stumped wrote:

An exercise in hubris. What on earth led him to believe he could run under 3:47 when no race he has ever run as shown that he could?

This was great. Watching a guy run the last 300 with junk in his legs about a week before he's supposed to start running rounds in hot weather and his minions are somehow thinking this was a great result. What was his 2nd 880? +7?

He is fit. He's just not fast.

The reason you're stumped is because you're a moron. He's run 3:30.4. That's 3:47-low. He clearly thinks he's in similar fitness now. (He clearly indicated recent workouts have led him to feel that way.)

With a smarter opening quarter, and better, longer pacing, he probably would've been at least a second faster, which means he would've been quite close to the record. And he thinks he might've been a little worn from 3 hard workouts the week before.

His judgement (which is probably worth about 10,000 times what yours is), and Jerry's, told him he had a chance to get it. They were probably right.

Glad to help you manage your stupidity. Have a nice day now.

apparently they misjudged his fitness.

pre maturing wrote:

apparently they misjudged his fitness.

Nah, that's a dumb conclusion. They probably figured he was in shape to run 3:48 if things went well, maybe get under 3:47 if they went really well. For several reasons, things didn't go that well, so they were a second or two off.

They were probably about right, or very close.

That still doesn't mean he's gonna medal, obviously, and I agree with the majority sentiment that the odds are against him. In a time-trial, I doubt very much he can hang with Tim or Jakob, and, as has been stated repeatedly, there are several other guys who may be able to get closer to their pace than Centro.

But the idea that he horribly overestimated his fitness, or acted out of monumental 'hubris' last night, is just stupid.

3:49.2 is about the worst result he could have and it still be somewhat respectable and indicative of being competitive in an olympic final. the weather was not in line with WR/NR conditions and the pacing sucked. the plan was to stay with the pacers (on coaches instructions) and im guessing they either went out too fast or it was intentional to see how he could hold on. either way...im sure they wanted to give him more than 1k of pacing. think he is def in 331 shape and that is faster than any olympic final in history. 2016 had faster guys in the field and it didnt matter so even if its unlikely to say there is no chance at even a medal is dumb and exaggerated. i still think hocker is faster than centro so he could be in 330 shape imo (which still wouldnt matter if its a straight TT w/ Tim and Jakob, but it wont be). guessing the final is run around 332 or slower.

Jakob C. Hocker wrote:

Right. Not to split hairs, but there's a difference between 440y in 54 and 400m in 54.

maybe .4 sec at most for the extra distance so Centro came through 440y in 54.61 880y 1:52.04 ~54.2 400m 1:51.2 800m, again very similar to the Monaco pacing (54.2, 1:50.7) where he would have gotten smoked and finished maybe 10-12th if you take the 1500m equivalent time of his mile

Typical fanboy. He ran that time 6 years ago. And you covered just about every lame excuse in the book.

Listen, camel toe, you put yourself out there claiming to go for the American record then crawl home in a 58 second last lap off a pace that any top level runner could handle you aren't that good.

Have a crap day now...wait, that's an every day occurrence for you.

sp2 wrote:

pre maturing wrote:

apparently they misjudged his fitness.

Nah, that's a dumb conclusion. They probably figured he was in shape to run 3:48 if things went well, maybe get under 3:47 if they went really well. For several reasons, things didn't go that well, so they were a second or two off.

They were probably about right, or very close.

That still doesn't mean he's gonna medal, obviously, and I agree with the majority sentiment that the odds are against him. In a time-trial, I doubt very much he can hang with Tim or Jakob, and, as has been stated repeatedly, there are several other guys who may be able to get closer to their pace than Centro.

But the idea that he horribly overestimated his fitness, or acted out of monumental 'hubris' last night, is just stupid.

Not such a dumb conclusion.

They advertised this TT/race or whatever Jerry calls them, as an American Record attempt. The record is 3:46.91, so based on that they figured he was in 3:46.90 shape at least, although with the shoe technology that is more like 3:49 shape. But, either way, didn't deliver.