When does the other 50% get vaccinated?

COVID-19 misinformation victim (low IQ) wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

Another factor being overlooked is why should I get the vaccine when Fauci and his ilk are just going to pay China to create another superbug?

You actually believe Rand Paul? Omg 😆 😱

You actually believe and trust Anthony Fauci?

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

And you and many others are free to make that choice. Just know you may be putting some of your family, your co-worker's family, etc at risk as the virus spreads.

Lack of empathy seems to be a commonality amongst those against vaccination. The don't tread on me types who can't think outside their own 6ft bubble.

Alan

And this is the old lie the liars have used for an entire year. Stop being a lying and dishonest tart and maybe people would be more apt to listen to the other side. Snarkiness and false guilt mongering does not move needles, it sets them in stone. Don't be an idiot and this problem will be closer to being solved.

You are healthy. You are unvaccinated. You are unmasked. You get COVID. You barely have a sniffle. You pass COVID around. It eventually makes it to an at-risk population.

Do you not believe this is how viruses work?

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

We’ve been over this too many times. I’ll take my chances of getting the virus instead of getting a shot. Getting the shot just means I get to think about getting the virus and/or vaccine side effects. It’s a no brained for a healthy individual. If the sick and elderly want to get it, power to them. Their health condition and age should not mean I have to change my life.

And you and many others are free to make that choice. Just know you may be putting some of your family, your co-worker's family, etc at risk as the virus spreads.

Lack of empathy seems to be a commonality amongst those against vaccination. The don't tread on me types who can't think outside their own 6ft bubble.

Alan

Yawn is aggressively stupid.

Their whole argument USED to be that cases were so low they would NEVER get COVID and thus didn't need the vaccine.

Everyone told them that this could obviously change quickly and the probability of getting COVID over the next year or two was quite high.

Well, here we are and they've quietly dropped that argument to "I'll take my chances with the virus."

The virus has a provably worse toxicity profile than the vaccine across all age groups for which it is approved. Anyone who says I'll take the chance is admitting they are ignoring a rational risk calculation.

So tens of millions of Americans get jabbed and the cases and deaths fall precipitously.

Time goes my and more Americans get jabbed, albeit at a lower rate then before.

Still, more Americans than ever have had the vaccine.

But now, cases are surging and spiking and all that stuff.

Why?

Anyone still believing the establishment narrative on Covid and vaccines is hopeless

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

COVID-19 misinformation victim (low IQ) wrote:

You actually believe Rand Paul? Omg 😆 😱

You actually believe and trust Anthony Fauci?

Yes.

Not Danny Mackey wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

We’ve been over this too many times. I’ll take my chances of getting the virus instead of getting a shot. Getting the shot just means I get to think about getting the virus and/or vaccine side effects. It’s a no brained for a healthy individual. If the sick and elderly want to get it, power to them. Their health condition and age should not mean I have to change my life.

I guess you are also an excellent driver who doesn’t need to

A. Observe the speed limit

B. Stop at red lights

C. Heck, even drive on the right side of the road

Alan is correct, this isn’t just about you. It’s about the community.

Lol what a poor comparison. I follow the rules of the road because they are part of a social contract that the majority agrees with and more importantly because it keeps me safe. Explain how me driving over the speed limit is beneficial to my health. You can’t so your argument falls apart real quick.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

We’ve been over this too many times. I’ll take my chances of getting the virus instead of getting a shot. Getting the shot just means I get to think about getting the virus and/or vaccine side effects. It’s a no brained for a healthy individual. If the sick and elderly want to get it, power to them. Their health condition and age should not mean I have to change my life.

And you and many others are free to make that choice. Just know you may be putting some of your family, your co-worker's family, etc at risk as the virus spreads.

Lack of empathy seems to be a commonality amongst those against vaccination. The don't tread on me types who can't think outside their own 6ft bubble.

Alan

My family is perfectly fine with my decision. They are mostly vaccinated but have no problem with me not getting it. I also live 5 minutes from my parents who are getting on in years and see them regularly. Did so during 2020 as well. We all know it’s better to live your life then worrying about every little thing. As far as coworkers go, I keep my distance from those who ask me politely. Otherwise I don’t give two poops about it.

Nope. You just can’t think properly. When I say take my chances with the virus it means I’ll take my chances getting the virus. I’ll clear it up for you.

I am neither scared of getting the virus nor it’s effects. I never said I won’t get it. You just prove that you argue in bad faith. This just means you are a pretty crappy person.

Yawn^9 wrote:

Nope. You just can’t think properly. When I say take my chances with the virus it means I’ll take my chances getting the virus. I’ll clear it up for you.

I am neither scared of getting the virus nor it’s effects. I never said I won’t get it. You just prove that you argue in bad faith. This just means you are a pretty crappy person.

In the past you have used the low incidence of viral spread as a key argument for turning down the vaccine. I am glad you have abandoned that, at least, as all I'm saying.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Lack of empathy seems to be a commonality amongst those against vaccination. The don't tread on me types who can't think outside their own 6ft bubble.

Alan

Exactly: the I'm-all-right-Jack-ism and sheer *meanspiritedness*--the *wishing ill to others*--that have come to characterize the GOP in recent decades. (Though TBF not by any means the exclusive property of that party.)

Especially: "People I don't know, who don't look/talk/live like me? Fvck 'em."

Lol you are dumb. That’s still the biggest part of my argument.

Yawn^9 wrote:

Lol you are dumb. That’s still the biggest part of my argument.

Interesting given the much higher apparent R_0 of the delta variant. The consensus seems to be that herd immunity threshold considerably higher now and most people are going to get COVID if they are not vaccinated.

Do you have analysis that disagrees with this? Are you simply ignoring the evidence because it conflicts with your simple risk model?

Consensus among which group? The Faucis of the world who change their numbers and opinions every other day?

Yawn^9 wrote:

Lol you are dumb. That’s still the biggest part of my argument.

Harambe, when this is their response, you know you have won.

Yawn^9 wrote:

Consensus among which group? The Faucis of the world who change their numbers and opinions every other day?

Even worse hahaha

"I don't trust evidence unless it lines up with my inane priors"

Critical thinking is dead in America.

dmagic17 wrote:

It's literally just weighing the severity/risk of the virus (which is virtually non-existent) vs. the severity/risk of the vaccine (also virtually non-existent yet slightly less known).

So… 600,000 dead + risk of unknown long term side effects = virtually no risk?

Elite logic there.

The Unkle wrote:

So tens of millions of Americans get jabbed and the cases and deaths fall precipitously.

Time goes my and more Americans get jabbed, albeit at a lower rate then before.

Still, more Americans than ever have had the vaccine.

But now, cases are surging and spiking and all that stuff.

Why?

Aren’t you the guy that didn’t realize the Flu Virus mutates? 😂

Harambe wrote:The virus has a provably worse toxicity profile than the vaccine across all age groups for which it is approved. Anyone who says I'll take the chance is admitting they are ignoring a rational risk calculation.

For teenage males, the risk of myocarditis from two doses of mRNA vaccines is ~0.005%. (Roughly 30x baseline expectations for that age group as a whole, according to CDC).

Also according to CDC, hospitalization due to Covid for that same age/sex cohort is ~0.002%.

So one could easily look at those numbers and conclude that the risk from Covid far exceeds the risk from vaccination.

But there's an important caveat: roughly 70% of Covid-hospitalized teens have pre-existing conditions-

So for healthy teen boys, the risk from vaccination could well exceed the risk from Covid, other things being equal.

The risks from both vaccines and Covid itself for that age group are pretty miniscule, of course.