When does the other 50% get vaccinated?

I haven't gotten vaccinated because I believe the testing was rushed. I'm 95% sure it's safe, but 5% is too much a risk for me to risk my health. I've known a few people who've had Covid and it seems like a mild flu. I'm not at all worried about getting Covid. If in two to three years, Covid is still a thing and no one I know has suffered serious side effects from being vaccinated, I'll get vaccinated.

Steiner Math wrote:

I haven't gotten vaccinated because I believe the testing was rushed. I'm 95% sure it's safe, but 5% is too much a risk for me to risk my health. I've known a few people who've had Covid and it seems like a mild flu. I'm not at all worried about getting Covid. If in two to three years, Covid is still a thing and no one I know has suffered serious side effects from being vaccinated, I'll get vaccinated.

That makes a lot of sense to me and I think explains most of the country's lack of vaccination - I don't think it comes down to laziness or strong antivax conviction as much as people think. It's literally just weighing the severity/risk of the virus (which is virtually non-existent) vs. the severity/risk of the vaccine (also virtually non-existent yet slightly less known).

When the vaxxed crowd dies from the flu this fall (no immune system left), the unvaxxed will roam the land free. Without the waxed/vaxxed folks spreading virus all over the place, it will die off like it would have if you'd just worn a darn mask the whole time.

Steiner Math wrote:

I haven't gotten vaccinated because I believe the testing was rushed. I'm 95% sure it's safe, but 5% is too much a risk for me to risk my health. I've known a few people who've had Covid and it seems like a mild flu. I'm not at all worried about getting Covid. If in two to three years, Covid is still a thing and no one I know has suffered serious side effects from being vaccinated, I'll get vaccinated.

This made sense at first, but the amount of diesel given now far surpass any normal vaccine trial. We would know if it wasn’t safe.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

When the vaxxed crowd dies from the flu this fall (no immune system left), the unvaxxed will roam the land free. Without the waxed/vaxxed folks spreading virus all over the place, it will die off like it would have if you'd just worn a darn mask the whole time.

Sounds like you are part of the proud deep south geniuses. Keep spreading misinformation and keep killing people, because at this juncture, thats really what you are doing. No excuse anymore.

Free_the_thigh wrote:

Steiner Math wrote:

I haven't gotten vaccinated because I believe the testing was rushed. I'm 95% sure it's safe, but 5% is too much a risk for me to risk my health. I've known a few people who've had Covid and it seems like a mild flu. I'm not at all worried about getting Covid. If in two to three years, Covid is still a thing and no one I know has suffered serious side effects from being vaccinated, I'll get vaccinated.

This made sense at first, but the amount of diesel given now far surpass any normal vaccine trial. We would know if it wasn’t safe.

We have seen more adverse reactions to the covid vaccine through reporting systems like the UK’s yellow card and US’s VARS despite a likely under reporting of such when you consider so many people are ignorant that it exists. Furthermore, if something else happens beyond initial reporting, that data point is already locked in; there’s no adding to it. If you have a sore arm for a day, report it in VARS, and have a heart attack the next day, there is not a mechanism by which you go back and modify your adverse reaction being logged as sore arm for a day plus a heart attack.

A decision was made months ago that vaccines would be the way out and new vaccine technology for them, at that. Any take other than that in the year since has been lambasted, even when it comes from folks who had the vaccine and are dealing with lingering side effects that go unreported, can’t be discussed on Facebook, and get “shouted down” on forums like this.

Steiner Math wrote:

I haven't gotten vaccinated because I believe the testing was rushed. I'm 95% sure it's safe, but 5% is too much a risk for me to risk my health. I've known a few people who've had Covid and it seems like a mild flu. I'm not at all worried about getting Covid. If in two to three years, Covid is still a thing and no one I know has suffered serious side effects from being vaccinated, I'll get vaccinated.

And you are both correct and short sighted and your opinion is common. It's not about you (probably young and healthy) and your peers (probably young and healthy) it's about the risk that unvaccinated carriers (you and your peers) pose to those who are higher risk.

I also think everyone should get a flu vaccine each year.

On an installation with thousands of people getting vaccinated the worst side effects I ever heard of was feeling a little sick......pretty much the same as a flu vaccine.

Alan

Do you know the chances of someone your age dying of Covid19?

Your numbers are accurate, about 50% have been vaccinated for covid (vaccine doesn't guarantee you don't get it, but makes it way less likely) and about 50% of the population usually gets the flu shot (also doesn't guarantee you don't get it, but makes it less likely)... We still end up seeing about 50k-70k deaths in a year from the flu, or an average of 165 people per day. We are currently seeing an average of 285 deaths per day from Covid over the past month since mid june, which was when the majority of people's vaccines were fully kicked in (mine became effective mid May). So we see similar vaccination rates between Covid and the flu, the flu kills about 60% the people Covid kills. Should we really be that concerned right now? At this point it's just another thing that could lead to death in pretty rare instances. We can expect 1 out of 3,100 Americans in the next 12 months to die from Covid, and 1 out of 5,400 will continue to die from the flu. If you got lost in these numbers and your eyes glazed over, then you have no business rebuking what I've said. Covid is worse than the flu, but not absurdly worse that we should still be freaked out and cancelling stuff now that a large number of people have been vaccinated. If you aren't vaccinated at this point and you are the unlucky one who dies, that's your fault, just like with the flu.

“A great and safe vaccine” - Donald J Trump

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i46co3L5gPM

scare 'em with death counts wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

And you are both correct and short sighted and your opinion is common. It's not about you (probably young and healthy) and your peers (probably young and healthy) it's about the risk that unvaccinated carriers (you and your peers) pose to those who are higher risk.

I also think everyone should get a flu vaccine each year.

On an installation with thousands of people getting vaccinated the worst side effects I ever heard of was feeling a little sick......pretty much the same as a flu vaccine.

Alan

Do you know the chances of someone your age dying of Covid19?

It's hard for me to tell if people are trolling are not.

We already went over this . It's not about me. It's about the elderly, sick, etc, who may be exposed. Vaccination doesn't mean you can't transmit covid.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

scare 'em with death counts wrote:

Do you know the chances of someone your age dying of Covid19?

It's hard for me to tell if people are trolling are not.

We already went over this . It's not about me. It's about the elderly, sick, etc, who may be exposed. Vaccination doesn't mean you can't transmit covid.

Alan

We went over this. Get vaccinated. Wear your mask. Social distance. THE SCIENCE says that you will be fine. Stop worrying about what others do with their bodies. My body, my choice.

Runningart2004 wrote:

scare 'em with death counts wrote:

Do you know the chances of someone your age dying of Covid19?

It's hard for me to tell if people are trolling are not.

We already went over this . It's not about me. It's about the elderly, sick, etc, who may be exposed. Vaccination doesn't mean you can't transmit covid.

Alan

Yep. Coworkers parents died from covid, secretly relived that my coworker didn’t catch covid from me.

well at least wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

It's hard for me to tell if people are trolling are not.

We already went over this . It's not about me. It's about the elderly, sick, etc, who may be exposed. Vaccination doesn't mean you can't transmit covid.

Alan

We went over this. Get vaccinated. Wear your mask. Social distance. THE SCIENCE says that you will be fine. Stop worrying about what others do with their bodies. My body, my choice.

Virus mutate in unvaccinated hosts.

This is correct but it's even more straightforward.

For every age group for which the vaccine is approved, the risks of the vaccine are far outweighed by the risks of COVID.

For anyone who claims we don't fully understand the effects of the vaccine yet, you could say the exact same about COVID which has a much, much more toxic profile. Every day there are more studies on injurious long term effects of COVID in young health adults. They are relatively rare, but far more common than severe side effects of the vaccine.

We’ve been over this too many times. I’ll take my chances of getting the virus instead of getting a shot. Getting the shot just means I get to think about getting the virus and/or vaccine side effects. It’s a no brained for a healthy individual. If the sick and elderly want to get it, power to them. Their health condition and age should not mean I have to change my life.