Colby Alexander 3:33!!!!

Stop with your nonsense Coevett, would he trash El G with 5 seconds? I really dislike El G since he doped, but he is one of the most talented milers of all time.

3:33 is impressive! I remember Colby lead the OLT 1500m final a few weeks ago for 2 laps, but couldn't hang on the last lap. I wonder if the Olympic trials were yesterday instead if he would have had enough to hang on for 3rd place after Centro and Hocker went off.

Perhaps he can't manage doing rounds. Or perhaps he's just incapable of performing when it matters.

dullard wrote:

Perhaps he can't manage doing rounds. Or perhaps he's just incapable of performing when it matters.

Haters gonna hate. Dude has made two straight Olympic Trials finals. Pretty capable if you ask me. Just tough to beat the best in the world.

Passant wrote:

Hocker is not in 3:35 shape wrote:

If Colby Alexander, who Hocker destroyed at the trials, ran 3:33… Hocker can at least run 3:30.

Tell me what can Hocker do in the 3000m/5000m and higher distances and I will tell you where he can go.

Jim Ruyn is he were at his peak today can do 3:28:75 at his best.

It was mathematically proved by ventolin^3 that Jim Ryun would run 3:24 if competing today.

cramberrys wrote:

Stop with your nonsense Coevett, would he trash El G with 5 seconds? I really dislike El G since he doped, but he is one of the most talented milers of all time.

Yes he would, we know from numerous studies and individual examples such as Ramzi (confirmed) and Katir ( unconfirmed) that EPO and other drugs can take at least 5 or 6 seconds off your time. El G was likely doping from adolescence right up to his retirement. In fact, he was born at exactly the right time and place, as EPO became available in his early teens and tests came in just when he retired. The only difference between him and Morceli was that El G had longer to dope with EPO. El G was a 3:32 runner at best without EPO and all the other stuff.

Charlie Chaplin wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

It really is not. The 4th and 8th guys at Trials ran 3:33 this year. Gold and 8th place in 2016, Silver and 4th in 2012. WC medals in 2011 and 2013. Sure Kenya is the best but I’ll take the USA vs basically anyone else. Please throw a country that hasn’t won a global medals in 25+ years up there

A country that hasn't produced a sub 3:30 runner in 36 years, and whose only two successes at a global championships in 110 years have been a Kenyan doper and a burrito eating Al Sal guy who got lucky, isn't number 2.

Norway, Scotland, and Australia are all ahead of the USA.

False. Norway could be if the brothers continue to do well. Scotland and Australia have no zero chance at being better than the US.

So why bother labeling someone a 3:35 guy when you know he'll almost always beat the people you call 3:33 guys?

Also did Coevett forget about Manzano, Steve Scott, Jim Spivey, even Jim Ryun? The US 1500 truthers on this board are odd.

Hocker is faster wrote:

Hocker is not in 3:35 shape wrote:

If Colby Alexander, who Hocker destroyed at the trials, ran 3:33… Hocker can at least run 3:30.

Hocker is by far and away the best middle distance runner in the world right now. It will be a major upset if he doesn't win gold.

Yeah, I’m going to say no on this. I will be surprised if he makes the podium.

However, Hocker has run 3:50 for the mile indoors, so that essentially makes him a 3:33 guy. I think he can go faster, but he needs to show it.

Some guys are meant for racing rounds. Hocker is one of them, Alexander may not be.

The thing is, Alan Webb, the fastest American mile ever, never did crap in the WC or Olympics. But, he was sure fast in a time trial.

Anyway, good for Alexander. I hope he keeps improving down to 3:30.

underdog. wrote:

The kid hasn’t had one completely healthy year EVER. Supposedly he’s only had a couple healthy months of training since last October. He’s just got a boatload of talent.

This why you don't run for Andy Powell.

High hopes wrote:

Hocker is not in 3:35 shape wrote:

If Colby Alexander, who Hocker destroyed at the trials, ran 3:33… Hocker can at least run 3:30.

I hate this garbage about the "transitive property" that has come up on LRC. It simply doesn't work like that. Mo Farah was a 3:28 guy, I don't for a second think that overall, he was a better 1500m runner than Centro or would have beat him in a race that really mattered.

Hocker remains a 3:35 guy until he runs quicker. You can think he can run 3:30 but he needs to prove it. FWIW, I don't think he's anywhere near 3:30 right now, maybe after a couple of years on the circuit

Also, show me a sub-3:29 guy who wasn’t doping. Maybe Jakob, maybe a couple others, but I’m not buying that it’s the majority of them.

Charlie Chaplin wrote:

cramberrys wrote:

Stop with your nonsense Coevett, would he trash El G with 5 seconds? I really dislike El G since he doped, but he is one of the most talented milers of all time.

Yes he would, we know from numerous studies and individual examples such as Ramzi (confirmed) and Katir ( unconfirmed) that EPO and other drugs can take at least 5 or 6 seconds off your time. El G was likely doping from adolescence right up to his retirement. In fact, he was born at exactly the right time and place, as EPO became available in his early teens and tests came in just when he retired. The only difference between him and Morceli was that El G had longer to dope with EPO. El G was a 3:32 runner at best without EPO and all the other stuff.

Good to have such unbiased deep analysts like Coevett.

Sub-9 guy wrote:

Some guys are meant for racing rounds. Hocker is one of them, Alexander may not be.

Why have you deduced this? Alexander finished 8th at USAs - really not that bad. He qualified nicely in his semis heat. His finals race was a little underwhelming but Avila is the only guy he was behind that he definitely should've beaten. Most 3:33-3:34 guys are going to have a hard time closing under 40 and even 41 in a 3:36-3:37 race. They're running their PBs in paced races not a championship style race. Running 3:33 makes you a potential contender for a USA team, but most likely you're not good enough.

Paced time trial. Doesn't count, just like all you say DL races don't count. Or do they only count when run by Americans?

Charlie Chaplin wrote:

Norway, Scotland, and Australia are all ahead of the USA.

Lolz. Must hurt knowing Centro is STILL the reigning Olympic champ 😂

Any-who, how many medals in the 1500 for those countries since 2011?

It counts but just shows you if also-rans in the US can run 3:33s on high school tracks, then you shouldn't overreact to paced time trials on the Monaco track.

The Dirty Duck wrote:

So why bother labeling someone a 3:35 guy when you know he'll almost always beat the people you call 3:33 guys?

Because he is a 3:35 guy. And I don't know he'll always beat 3:33 guys, but he might. I just get tired of people saying "he's in 3:30 shape" or his mile time converts to XX. Suppositions, conversions, "the transitive property", it's all junk until he puts down the time. That's not to say he can't get a medal in Tokyo, or he isn't capable of a good time, but he hasn't proven it yet.

Why would his sponsors regret dropping him? He’s certainly a fast runner but craps down his leg and never runs well at the right time. The sponsors are not getting their worth so they drop him. Makes sense. No one cares that he ran fast at some random meet. That’s not what they pay for.