Nuf said. Couldn't agree with you more. And the whole painting thing is cringe worthy––He's a competent painter, but it ain't art.
Nuf said. Couldn't agree with you more. And the whole painting thing is cringe worthy––He's a competent painter, but it ain't art.
llort_vbo wrote:
Jackie made him funny wrote:
The show went downhill after he got rid of Jackie.
Jackie Martling used to try to plug chachkies on air and was insufferable about pay. I thought Billy West was far more talented that Jackie.
Artie was a million times funnier because he is well… funny and not just a crappy joke guy.
All three of those guys were very funny in the era of the show they participated in. Yes, Jackie was basically
a "crappy joke guy", but he was a very funny crappy joke guy and I did "miss him" when he left. He was an important part of the "chemistry" when they were building the show. Billy West was very talented and FAF. Howard has always been an insecure egomaniac and was absolutely horrible at sharing any credit. Billy West did some brilliant stuff and Howard wouldn't even give the guy a nod on air, which to me was very petty . A guy that talented probably wouldn't have stayed anyway but happily it all worked out for him. Artie was also great on the show but I would take issue that he was "a million times funnier" than Jackie. Artie was a much different personality but served the same function as Jackie, I think the show could have gone on just fine if Jackie had remained instead of being replaced by Artie.
Never would pay for satellite radio. Stopped listening years ago. My new car a few months ago had a 90-day free subscription to Serius. I listened to a few minutes of his show and found it a waste of my time like so much of what is called entertainment these days.
Jogger262 wrote:
I think there is much better podcast material out there these days.
+1
things evolve over time
marginal at best wrote:
Jogger262 wrote:
I think there is much better podcast material out there these days.
+1
things evolve over time
With the infinite amount of podcasts out there you can really zero in on your specific interests and style. His show is kind of obsolete at this point unless you really into the personal lives of celebrities, which I am not.
Howard in his day was the best but I think everyone else has caught up to him.
Howard’s opinions today are pretty standard slightly left of center mainstream that are wholly predictable. His interviews are decent if you are into the personal lives of B list celebrities.
Joe Rogan has kind of become what Howard was. He may not be as funny as Howard but his opinions on certain subjects have caused controversy and some of his interviews are usually talked about “around the water cooler” the next day like Howard’s were back in the 90s. Howard was a conversation starter, Rogan is a conversation starter.
Rogan is just a meathead frat boy.
sepreh wrote:
Rogan is just a meathead frat boy.
He's a fatherless dude from a scrappy background in Boston who moved to Hollywood to become a comic and an actor. Zero college. That's not really a frat boy profile.
He's into martial arts and lifting weights.
Intellectually, he's a mile wide when it comes to topics of interest to him, and an inch deep in understanding them.
He likes drugs and conspiracy theories.
Pros: He makes things happen. Look at what he created from nothing. And he's not even funny as a comic. Some of his general life philosophy is very positive and good in terms of being active, taking action, being disciplined about the little things in life, eating healthy, not making excuses, etc.
Cons: He's a bright guy, but has not had any kind of rigor in terms of "real work" or study, yet many of the "serious" subjects he's talking about require it. He's all about Bro Science. Sloppy, lazy stoner thinking. All over the place. Has spent most of his life around loser comics who just spend their life getting high and babbling bulls#it.
Jonathan Brandmeier > Stern
Both started way-way back.
Stern was interesting back in the day when he was in constant conflict with standards and practices over his boundary pushing content. Back in those olden days, you had radio and TV and that was it. Listening to Stern was an adventure because he was always pushing boundaries and was way better than anyone else on the air back then.
Today, Stern is just trying to keep alive a radio format that has come and gone. In an age where anyone can do anything and say anything, Stern has to actually be interesting and funny and not just shocking (because nothing is really shocking anymore). Stern is mildly interesting and funny and that is about it.
His show had its virtues in D.C. on WWDC in the early '80s.
Boundary-pushing is just a silly device to try to look like a rebel. Brandmeier was being actually interesting and funny and crazy, all along. Johnny B just didn't get to such a wide audience.
Precious Roy wrote:
Stern was interesting back in the day when he was in constant conflict with standards and practices over his boundary pushing content. Back in those olden days, you had radio and TV and that was it. Listening to Stern was an adventure because he was always pushing boundaries and was way better than anyone else on the air back then.
Today, Stern is just trying to keep alive a radio format that has come and gone. In an age where anyone can do anything and say anything, Stern has to actually be interesting and funny and not just shocking (because nothing is really shocking anymore). Stern is mildly interesting and funny and that is about it.
There are things he could say to “push the boundaries”. However, his opinions on most things nowadays are pretty mainstream.
Some of his show’s phone taps are pre pretty funny but those aren’t even done by him.
He has a ton of skill, but I wouldn't call it the "art of interviewing".....something else. He is borderline bully in a sense....not really....but he can weasel the crap out of people to say stuff. Part of that is the size of his audience. If you don't play nice, he can Fck you over.
Certain people can avoid this trap, but few. Paul McCartney, has a bigger fan following than Howard has listeners and a status of legend, so he will tell Howard, "no, I am not answering that." and Howard will suck up to him.....
I don't think Rogan has the same level of skill as Howard at all. But, Rogan is what I like to refer to as a great conversationalist. He can sit there like he is high on edibles with the guest and they are two buddies experience the same trip or something and be on the same wavelength. Also, sort of creepy.
Tom Schneider was a great interviewer. David Letterman got quite good for several years. Apparently, Dick Cavett was very good, certainly garnered much respect.
Some strong interviewers come from NPR.
One creep but great interviewer — as long as his researchers did their job — was Jian Ghomeshi from the CBC in Canada. Turned out to be a pervert, but lots of talent.
If satellite didn't happen and free license, Howard would be schock jock with some skill.
Further on all that. There is the vast majority of interviewers that we hear on radio/podcast/YouTube et al are quite weak. It's a lost skill/art that I think is slowly coming back due to the sheer volume of people who have taken to interviewing (podcasting especially).
Too many want to extract the gold medal-winning question during the first one to three questions and they kill the rest of the interview. Part of that is impatience and the other part is the media-consuming public having a short attention span.
Watch Letterman joke when he gets the answer he is looking for with time remaining he turns to the audience and says, "good night everyone," jokingly, as he knows the rest of the interview becomes an exercise to keep the standard up for the final few minutes. Especially when he shakes the hand of the guess and cuts the interview suddenly, you know he got the response early.....
Was a big fan starting during the K-Rock days back in the mid to late 80s but haven’t listened for about 20 years. I give him a lot of credit that he could be entertaining for 4 hours a day 5 days a week. That is not easy.
As this is a running website I will share that I saw him running in Central Park with a trainer in what I would guess was the late 90s. He was a regular in the park with Beth walking their dog. Anyway I saw a tall guy and a short guy who I assume was his trainer and didn’t think anything of it and didn’t recognize him until I heard his voice and did a double take as I’d heard his voice on the radio for 100s of hours. I thought it was pretty neat at the time. No idea if he still runs but there was a time when he did.
Flagpole wrote:
U. Raynuss wrote:
Rogan is indeed a "meathead", and his popularity remains a mystery to me. He's massively overrated.
Started listening to Howard in 1983, and was a big fan until a few years into his Sirius years when IMO he totally
lost his bearings and started "phoning it in". Howard was never the most "stable" person and I think all the money he got and lawsuit he got into with Sirius about getting more of it was extremely detrimental to the show.
He is a very funny guy, and like the OP said he is an excellent interviewer. The show is not recognizable to the one in the eighties and the nineties when Howard was "hungry", edgy and still an "outsider". It's not unlike a great rock band that does their best work in the first five years and then coasts off of that for the rest of their career.
That being said, he still has his moments and for young people just discovering him there is "something there", but for me he's done. I've seen "every move" he's got and it's just warm rehash.
Rogan appeals to other meatheads. There are a lot of those who follow MMA, so he grabs those people. Oddly enough, he does interview some interesting people. I have no idea how that works, but I assume he pays them for their time. He does have a decent-sized audience, so perhaps that's all that is needed to get solid interviewees.
But yeah, he's a meathead.
“decent sized audience”
or the biggest podcast audience in the world
guccislides wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Rogan appeals to other meatheads. There are a lot of those who follow MMA, so he grabs those people. Oddly enough, he does interview some interesting people. I have no idea how that works, but I assume he pays them for their time. He does have a decent-sized audience, so perhaps that's all that is needed to get solid interviewees.
But yeah, he's a meathead.
“decent sized audience”
or the biggest podcast audience in the world
Yeah, biggest podcast audience in the world = "decent-sized audience". As I said.
He's also a meathead. As I said.
that's because Stern himself has been in therapy over the years so he can speak from experience
Cool story....he doesn't seem like a runner....but nor did Robin Williams, who was competitive in high school....hard to judge by looks and behavior, I guess.