Runner vanished in the Bay area, no trace found. Update. He's been found. RIP: Philip Kreycik.

Ernest wrote:

You can safely "bush whack" off trail - particularly in friendly, familiar terrain with good visibility.

But unless you're experienced and prepared, going off trail is a recipe for disaster.

Doing so is sometime intentional, though questionable. But it is also easy to do when fatigued, not in a group, not on marked trails, taking false or branch paths, following animal trails, due to poor visibility (darkness, snow, fog ) etc.

Suffice to say most hikers are not experienced. prepared or reasonably prudent.

Agreed! I was pushing back on the idea that going off trail, or taking lightly used trails is a bad idea because you will run into illegal pot farms or other bad people. Random murders in the wilderness are extremely rare and not something you need to worry about in probably 99.9% of the USA.

Another wilderness fatality of an experience long distance runner, this time a 25-year-old Army lieutenant.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/search-continues-for-missing-army-lieutenant-in-mt-st-helens-area/283-1bb52ebc-768f-4231-9d80-3049e6c82a6c

Did anyone here see the comment left on the Facebook page regarding the open mineshaft pit (or well) found near 'Sinbad Creek'? A picture of it was left with the comment, and it looked like something that could be quite dangerous.

I found it odd that: (1) such an open pit existed in a supposedly well-traversed park; (2) no one seemed to acknowledge the comment, let alone suggest the commenter should report it, or discuss further, etc.

That comment was left along with comments, which included photos, of caves in the area.

I'm posting this comment here in the hopes someone that is serious reading this will possibly follow-up on the facebook thread, since I don't have a facebook account.

Harambe wrote:

Wtf there's a new comment on the Patch article from the same handle:

"Second email. Philips body is 60-70 feet from the surface, between boulder / large rocks, and not viewable from above. The coordinates were given to L.E. yesterday, July 18, 2021. If the SAR teams use HRD (human remains detection ) dogs, and cover 100% of the location provided, he'll be found."

Someone writing some fiction or what? Kinda spooky.

Could this have anything to do with the open pit that was discovered in the park?

what is that? wrote:

From their Facebook page, someone was recommending a dog tracking service that apparently (from the picture) uses the German Shepherd. Hopefully, the S&R teams have Bloodhounds, which are far superior in their scent tracking.

Here is a an article discussing a actual missing person case, which includes a discussion on the smell sensitivity of the bloodhound:

Highly experienced mountaineers die all the time. Are you new to the sport? Professional climbers die. Professional drivers die. Professional adventurers die. It's part of the risk and reward. And looking over his Strava, he is not a highly experienced "mountaineer".

log in . . . wrote:

He is a highly experienced mountaineer. Your razor is dull.[/quote]

Harambe wrote:

log in . . . wrote:

terror

Congrats. This has nothing to do with what you said...

So, you are saying your word "terrorized" is not at all the same meaning as "terror"? Can't you troll better than this?

what is that? wrote:

what is that? wrote:

From their Facebook page, someone was recommending a dog tracking service that apparently (from the picture) uses the German Shepherd. Hopefully, the S&R teams have Bloodhounds, which are far superior in their scent tracking.

Here is a an article discussing a actual missing person case, which includes a discussion on the smell sensitivity of the bloodhound:

https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/exploration-survival/leave-no-trace/

Very interesting, and disturbing article. Good stuff.

what is that? wrote:

Harambe wrote:

"Philips body is 60-70 feet from the surface, between boulder / large rocks, and not viewable from above. The coordinates were given to L.E. yesterday, July 18, 2021. If the SAR teams use HRD (human remains detection ) dogs, and cover 100% of the location provided, he'll be found."

Could this have anything to do with the open pit that was discovered in the park?

A just discovered 60-70 foot deep pit is a heavily used park? It must have a very small and well hidden opening. Exactly how would someone accidentally fall into such an unknown/hidden feature?

He was trail running, not mountaineering, and someone is claiming he fell down a deep recently discovered cave?/mine? entrance.

CinqueMinute wrote:

Highly experienced mountaineers die all the time. Are you new to the sport? Professional climbers die. Professional drivers die. Professional adventurers die. It's part of the risk and reward. And looking over his Strava, he is not a highly experienced "mountaineer".

log in . . . wrote:

He is a highly experienced mountaineer. Your razor is dull.

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Rea Plia wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Congrats. This has nothing to do with what you said...

So, you are saying your word "terrorized" is not at all the same meaning as "terror"? Can't you troll better than this?

I said it is NOT common for people to be terrified of the outdoors. I think the original response misunderstood me. It was also tangential to my point.

Rea Plia wrote:

what is that? wrote:

Could this have anything to do with the open pit that was discovered in the park?

A just discovered 60-70 foot deep pit is a heavily used park? It must have a very small and well hidden opening. Exactly how would someone accidentally fall into such an unknown/hidden feature?

This fell-down-a-super-deep-hole theory doesn't seem plausible. If the hole does exist then there are people who knew it was there -- it was not just discovered -- and kept it a secret for some reason.

Harambe wrote:

Rea Plia wrote:

So, you are saying your word "terrorized" is not at all the same meaning as "terror"? Can't you troll better than this?

I said it is NOT common for people to be terrified of the outdoors. I think the original response misunderstood me. It was also tangential to my point.

This lost runner didn't seem afraid of being alone on trails.

Rea Plia wrote:

what is that? wrote:

Could this have anything to do with the open pit that was discovered in the park?

A just discovered 60-70 foot deep pit is a heavily used park? It must have a very small and well hidden opening. Exactly how would someone accidentally fall into such an unknown/hidden feature?

My post was serious. Did you see the facebook posting with the photograph? It appeared there were some broken boards partially obscuring the opening to the shaft. Are you on facebook? That is not a trick question.

Rea Plia wrote:

He was trail running, not mountaineering, and someone is claiming he fell down a deep recently discovered cave?/mine? entrance.

Who is claiming that? Are your reading comprehension skills that poor?

Implausible wrote:

This fell-down-a-super-deep-hole theory doesn't seem plausible. If the hole does exist then there are people who knew it was there -- it was not just discovered -- and kept it a secret for some reason.

What kind of crap post is this? Are you like the guy that GUARANTEED a mountain lion was not involved?

Implausible wrote:

This fell-down-a-super-deep-hole theory doesn't seem plausible.

Dragged into a Sasquatch den is plausible. It would explain why we so rarely spot them - they tunnel underground!

what is that? wrote:

My post was serious. Did you see the facebook posting with the photograph? It appeared there were some broken boards partially obscuring the opening to the shaft. Are you on facebook? That is not a trick question.

What's are some of the words in the Facebook post? I searched the group for Sinbad, but couldn't find it as there were a bunch of posts that came up.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Implausible wrote:

This fell-down-a-super-deep-hole theory doesn't seem plausible.

Dragged into a Sasquatch den is plausible. It would explain why we so rarely spot them - they tunnel underground!

Maybe the Sasquatchs just caught him outdoors, like in the film Deliverance.