Runner vanished in the Bay area, no trace found. Update. He's been found. RIP: Philip Kreycik.

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vaIjean wrote:

How'd you learn that? Did you get murdered?

You have never hiked in the forest. What was posted is common knowledge. Stick with running around your mom's block, kid. You still might get run over by someone backing out of their driveway in a hurry.

This is absolutely not true. People go off trail all the time in wilderness areas and such. It's not common knowledge to be terrified of the outdoors.

What if he lost his keys while running, eventually gave up looking for them, couldn't get to his phone in the car, and decided to run to meet up with his wife and kids or else he'd be late. How far away was his wife? If he was a little bit heat addled he might think he could do it since he could probably handle the distance anyway. Something happens along the way and he is incapacitated and not where they are looking for him.

Harambe wrote:

This is absolutely not true. People go off trail all the time in wilderness areas and such. It's not common knowledge to be terrified of the outdoors.

^ Another non-wilderness hiker. I said nothing about your "terror" of the outdoors. I have no terror of the outdoors. I know more about hiking in remote areas that you will ever know. And I know what to look for, and what to avoid. I could easily track you on a trail. People like you leave obvious signs.

CSU-1959 wrote:

What if he lost his keys while running, eventually gave up looking for them, couldn't get to his phone in the car, and decided to run to meet up with his wife and kids or else he'd be late. How far away was his wife? If he was a little bit heat addled he might think he could do it since he could probably handle the distance anyway. Something happens along the way and he is incapacitated and not where they are looking for him.

You could have meet up with someone else. If he was suffering from heat exhaustion why would he crawl/stumble himself off trail without leaving a trace? But not one of the searchers saw what might have been someone crashing through the brush.

California brush is brittle and easily snaps, and it scratches you up. And it leaves are dirty/dusty. Try it sometime yourself, and report back here how far you managed to get before realizing the under brush and see how it goes for you. Don't be terrorized like Harambe would be. Just do it. I have when helping the park rangers clear out overgrowth before the hiking season starts. Try building an alternative path to get around a washout (down a steep slope) along part of a trail that is no longer safe to cross (or cannot be crossed at all), and the park people have decided that trail needs to remain open and the best solution to to create a bypass around the problem.

CSU-1959 wrote:

What if he lost his keys while running, eventually gave up looking for them, couldn't get to his phone in the car, and decided to run to meet up with his wife and kids or else he'd be late. How far away was his wife? If he was a little bit heat addled he might think he could do it since he could probably handle the distance anyway. Something happens along the way and he is incapacitated and not where they are looking for him.

Um, no. He would not have decided to run to either Stockton or Berkeley from that park. When that happened to me I just asked someone if I could borrow their phone for a minute.

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Harambe wrote:

This is absolutely not true. People go off trail all the time in wilderness areas and such. It's not common knowledge to be terrified of the outdoors.

I know more about hiking in remote areas that you will ever know. And I know what to look for, and what to avoid. I could easily track you on a trail. People like you leave obvious signs.

Lmao... you sound like a tool

CSU-1959 wrote:

How far away was his wife?

They were meeting in Stockon. That's 60 miles away. A very unpleasnt 60 miles. And he was 40 miles from home, so that would be out as well.

I’m saying that he might of started heading along roads in the direction of Stockton hoping to hitch a ride or find someone with a phone. They’ve said not many people were out because of the heat. Something happened along the way and he is down the side of a road but not in the vicinity where they are searching.

dkdkdkd wrote:

I AM a tool

You most certainly are. You need to unwind your scrunched up panties to relieve the pressure on your brain. Then you can take your nap at your mommy's.

Harambe wrote:

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You have never hiked in the forest. What was posted is common knowledge. Stick with running around your mom's block, kid. You still might get run over by someone backing out of their driveway in a hurry.

This is absolutely not true. People go off trail all the time in wilderness areas and such. It's not common knowledge to be terrified of the outdoors.

I go off trail in wilderness areas and such, as someone who orienteered, run backcountry loops (and hiked/mountaineered/backpacked, etc.). But I also am careful about lightly used side trails. Close to civilization, you'll likely end up in a homeless camp, a little further out, possibly a marijuana grow, or maybe a trapline that might get your dog (had my dog caught in a snare once). I followed a little trail in one of my closest parks once, and encountered occult materials... not sure if it was from kids playing or from more sketchy adults.

I mentioned up the thread the guy I follow who chooses interesting off-trail routes where I grew up in San Jose. I really love exploring, but didn't do too much off-trail or off the official trail systems there because of who I might potentially run into. Also, going through the brush in that part of CA is scratchy, dirty, fully of poison oak, and you'll pick up ticks. There was a large marijuana bust near Mt. Umunhum at some point near (similar to the Cuyamaca story that someone linked, operated by Mexicans, I think) where I would have wanted to explore when I was younger, but never did due to the interactions that I had with and reputation of the gun-toting mountain folks that live in the area.

The missing guy was in the Harvard mountaineering club, so he must have been a very experienced outdoorsman in addition to being a really fit/fast runner. Whatever happened, he probably didn't made a stupid mistake out there, like getting heat stroke followed by cascading mistakes in judgment.

I think about what has to happen to cause me to ever go missing in the wilderness as an experienced outdoorsman and fit runner, and comes down to an out-of-ordinary wildlife encounter (often have moose and bear encounters where I live, had several mountain lion encounters when I lived in CA), or happening upon bad people (pot growers, shoot-first, red neck property owners, drunken hunters). I don't have known enemies to worry about, and I'm not going to disappear to start a new life or kill myself, but those are always possibilities to consider for missing people.

You can safely "bush whack" off trail - particularly in friendly, familiar terrain with good visibility. But unless you're experienced and prepared, going off trail is a recipe for disaster. Doing so is sometime intentional, though questionable. But it is also easy to do when fatigued, not in a group, not on marked trails, taking false or branch paths, following animal trails, due to poor visibility (darkness, snow, fog ) etc. Suffice to say most hikers are not experienced. prepared or reasonably prudent.

Harambe wrote:

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You have never hiked in the forest. What was posted is common knowledge. Stick with running around your mom's block, kid. You still might get run over by someone backing out of their driveway in a hurry.

This is absolutely not true. People go off trail all the time in wilderness areas and such. It's not common knowledge to be terrified of the outdoors.

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dkdkdkd wrote:

I AM a tool

You most certainly are. You need to unwind your scrunched up panties to relieve the pressure on your brain. Then you can take your nap at your mommy's.

Edit my post with your own words... Panties in a bunch... Living with the parents still...

Just going with the perfect trifecta of lame comebacks eh? Nice...

I did encounter a grow op hiking/working California backwoods - and were warned by locals that getting too close, even unintentionally, could get you "disappeared". I knew a guy who disappeared while hiking. His body was found at a base at a cliff. It was presumed he fell. However it was later concluded he intentionally overdosed on pills there. Even very experienced hikers/mountaineers disappear or have mishaps - it's low risk, not no risk.

CSU-1959 wrote:

I’m saying that he might of started heading along roads in the direction of Stockton hoping to hitch a ride or find someone with a phone. They’ve said not many people were out because of the heat. Something happened along the way and he is down the side of a road but not in the vicinity where they are searching.

If you knew the area at you would understand why no one would try to run to Stockton. The only direct route is a 10-lane high-speed freeway which you cannot run on. It's not like you can just run along roads and get there.

He got dehydrated and lost.

Research Occam’s Razor.

Trust me, he will be found.

I’ve been lost a couple of times and in trouble but I’ve managed to suck it up and back track. Most don’t. Most rationalize to keep going. That is their downfall.

dkdkdkd wrote:

I AM a tool

Yes, confirmed.

fnhriel wrote:

He got dehydrated and lost.

Research Occam’s Razor.

Trust me, he will be found.

He is a highly experienced mountaineer. Your razor is dull.

trail veteran wrote:

CSU-1959 wrote:

I’m saying that he might of started heading along roads in the direction of Stockton hoping to hitch a ride or find someone with a phone. They’ve said not many people were out because of the heat. Something happened along the way and he is down the side of a road but not in the vicinity where they are searching.

If you knew the area at you would understand why no one would try to run to Stockton. The only direct route is a 10-lane high-speed freeway which you cannot run on. It's not like you can just run along roads and get there.

There are drainage paths/tunnels under those type of freeways. Rail, creeks, foot/animal paths, and two-lane roads go under.

CSU-1959 wrote:

What if he lost his keys while running, eventually gave up looking for them, couldn't get to his phone in the car, and decided to run to meet up with his wife and kids or else he'd be late. How far away was his wife? If he was a little bit heat addled he might think he could do it since he could probably handle the distance anyway. Something happens along the way and he is incapacitated and not where they are looking for him.

If that happened, he would have quickly entered a busy suburban area with lots of cars on the road. It would have been very unlikely to have disappeared this way.