Hicham El Guerrouj best performances (under 3:27) were done at Roma, Bruxelles, Zurich and Rieti.
Hicham El Guerrouj best performances (under 3:27) were done at Roma, Bruxelles, Zurich and Rieti.
I love how this thread got hijacked and turned into a Monaco conspiracy post. It's even funnier because Cole has never even raced at Monaco before lol.
Anyways. I think that poster much be a troll lol. Or they need some help :(
It's like . 75 seconds fast if you walked the last 4 meters 🤣
GarminGuy wrote:
saw him out runnin with teare and hunter this morning on campus. seemed to be just joggin
This is exactly the kind of boots-on-the-ground reporting I was looking for. Much appreciated.
So, is Teare going to the Olympics as an alternate for the 5K, or is that not done? Is Hunter going for Australia(?) in the 800m?
calico cat wrote:
I love how this thread got hijacked and turned into a Monaco conspiracy post. It's even funnier because Cole has never even raced at Monaco before lol.
Anyways. I think that poster much be a troll lol. Or they need some help :(
It's like . 75 seconds fast if you walked the last 4 meters 🤣
Yeah, not cool banned. But you were pretty much the MVP of the recent Houlihan doping thread, so all forgiven.
bannned i got wrote:
from the LR archives we find that 2010 was when monaco did a resurfacing. this is when the fakeness started.
1m short in lane one. doing the math at different m/s values you can see how at 3:35 speed which is around 6.7 m/s will give you 2 seconds as you are running 1497 meters instead of 1500m. look at all the people who ran their PRs at monaco then compare their other times at track meets and you will see the issue.
i did the math for 12:30 for 5k pace on that track, and being 1m short you get 25 seconds off....and boom you see ol cheptegie runs about 12:50s....all those thinking he would crush that 1500m earlier and only ran what 3:37? well at monaco he would have only run 3:35-36.
now think about the 10k. do the math and figure out what 26:40 pace is on a 1m short track and boom its like 26:10.
i did a whole write up on this and my comment was erased. but i would wager you find people running the 400 in lane 1, and thats their PR or SB for that year.
lets take a look at the top 25 times in 1500m, then take all those who ran their times at monaco since 2010 then find their other times on other tracks and you see the 2-3 seconds. the only way this works after lots of thought is the track is 1m short.
1 3:26.00 Hicham EL GUERROUJ 14 SEP 1974 MARMAR 1 Stadio Olimpico, Roma (ITA) 14 JUL 1998 1302
2 3:26.34 Bernard LAGAT 12 DEC 1974 KENKEN 2 Bruxelles (BEL) 24 AUG 2001 1297
3 3:26.69 Asbel KIPROP 30 JUN 1989 KENKEN 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 1292
4 3:27.37 Noureddine MORCELI 28 FEB 1970 ALGALG 1 Nice (FRA) 12 JUL 1995 1282
5 3:27.64 Silas KIPLAGAT 20 AUG 1989 KENKEN 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 18 JUL 2014 1279
6 3:28.12 Noah NGENY 02 NOV 1978 KENKEN 2f1 Zürich (SUI) 11 AUG 2000 1272
7 3:28.28 Timothy CHERUIYOT 20 NOV 1995 KENKEN 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021 1269
8 3:28.68 Jakob INGEBRIGTSEN 19 SEP 2000 NORNOR 2 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 14 AUG 2020 1264
9 3:28.75 Taoufik MAKHLOUFI 29 APR 1988 ALGALG 2 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 1263
10 3:28.76 Mohamed KATIR 17 FEB 1998 ESPESP 2 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021 1262
11 3:28.79 Abdelaati IGUIDER 25 MAR 1987 MARMAR 3 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 1262
12 3:28.80 Elijah Motonei MANANGOI 05 JAN 1993 KENKEN 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017 1262
13 3:28.81 Mo FARAH 23 MAR 1983 GBRGBR 2 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 19 JUL 2013 1262
13 3:28.81 Ronald KWEMOI 19 SEP 1995 KENKEN 3 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 18 JUL 2014 1262
15 3:28.95 Fermín CACHO 16 FEB 1969 ESPESP 2f1 Zürich (SUI) 13 AUG 1997 1260
16 3:28.98 Mehdi BAALA 17 AUG 1978 FRAFRA 2 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 05 SEP 2003 1259
17 3:29.02 Daniel Kipchirchir KOMEN 27 NOV 1984 KENKEN 1 Stadio Olimpico, Roma (ITA) 14 JUL 2006 1259
18 3:29.14 Rashid RAMZI 17 JUL 1980 BRNBRN 2 Stadio Olimpico, Roma (ITA) 14 JUL 2006 1257
19 3:29.18 Vénuste NIYONGABO 09 DEC 1973 BDIBDI 2 Bruxelles (BEL) 22 AUG 1997 1256
20 3:29.29 William CHIRCHIR 06 FEB 1979 KENKEN 3 Bruxelles (BEL) 24 AUG 2001 1255
21 3:29.46 Saïd AOUITA 02 NOV 1959 MARMAR 1 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 23 AUG 1985 1252
21 3:29.46 Daniel KOMEN 17 MAY 1976 KENKEN 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 16 AUG 1997 1252
23 3:29.47 Augustine Kiprono CHOGE 21 JAN 1987 KENKEN 1 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 14 JUN 2009 1252
23 3:29.47 Jake WIGHTMAN 11 JUL 1994 GBRGBR 3 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 14 AUG 2020 1252
25 3:29.50 Caleb Mwangangi NDIKU 09 OCT 1992 KENKEN 3 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 19 JUL 2013 1252
I think you’re just wrong. If you need help, talk to your local doctor.
Charlie is in.
Cooper is not.
bannned i got wrote:that track is 1m short in lane one, and gives 2-3 seconds in a 1500. so he ran a 3:32-33 and was convinced the fake track gave him some legit time.
Not this again.
What part of the lane one is 'short'? Stad Louis II's track measures 400m + 0.04m x 1.22m ± 0.01m with safety
zones measuring not less than 1.00m on the inside and/or 1.00m on the outside. Stad Louis II is IAAF-certified (meeting World Athletics requirements, World Athletics Product Certification) and has been recertified before each world record is ratified.
Why is this necessary?
Competition Rule 1.1.3 SUITABILITY FOR COMPETITION --> In order to establish the suitability of a sports facility for competition, proof is required of fulfilment of the requirements listed in this manual by certificates testifying to the Construction Category, the observance of the measurements and, when relevant, the suitability of the synthetic surface.
Conica AG engaged Trackmaster to provide surveying (Class 1) and line marking of the newly resurfaced Stad Louis II facility -- among other things. As of 2020, Trackmasters have been responsible for the certification of over 40% of the worlds Class 1 athletics tracks.
I saw him on the Rexius Trail in Eugene on Sunday doing some kind of fast tempo run.
bannned i got wrote:
Star wrote:
Most exciting guy since Wheating?
Wheating had one good year - 2010.
In 2011 Wheating’s college teammate beat him and won the US 1500 and has had a decent career since then.
ughh no he didnt in the real world. he ran a 3:30 at monaco, and that track is 1m short in lane one, and gives 2-3 seconds in a 1500. so he ran a 3:32-33 and was convinced the fake track gave him some legit time.
seeing as his next best non monaco times are 3:34-35 he got dragged to a 3:32-33 at monaco.
2017 3:37.75 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2017
2016 3:38.60 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 20 MAY 2016
2015 3:38.75 Sydney (AUS) 14 MAR 2015
2014 3:38.53 Portland, OR (USA) 15 JUN 2014
2013 3:37.03 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 17 MAY 2013
2012 3:35.89 Burnaby (CAN) 10 JUN 2012
2011 3:34.39 Paris (FRA) 08 JUL 2011
2010 3:30.90 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2010 (real time is 3:32.90-3:33.90)
2009 3:40.92 Eugene, OR (USA) 24 APR 2009
2008 3:38.60 Eugene, OR (USA) 09 MAY 2008
2007 3:45.17 Eugene, OR (USA) 20 APR 2007
2006 3:54.28 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 24 JUN 2006
as we can see he hit his PR in 2010, and maintained in 2011, then trained like he was a 3:30 guy and got injured and kept getting discouraged that he couldnt find that magic again. if he would have known monaco was a fake track then he would have known he was at best a 3:32-33 guy and trained accordingly and not gotten depressed
You're a complete IDIOT!
They've never measured the track in Monaco? After all the years this meet has been in existence?
STFU!
bizarre wrote:
well, he's a student athlete so he's probably doing that stuff. he just won the trials so he's probably bangin' groupies. what did you do at 20?
None of which you will ever accomplish.
IDIOT!
ive heard Monaco was measured recently. track came in at roughly 375m, not 400m.
do with this info what you wish.
BIG if true.
Out-of-Wedlock-Danny wrote:
ive heard Monaco was measured recently. track came in at roughly 375m, not 400m.
do with this info what you wish.
BIG if true.
And the finish is 3.2 meters lower than the start. Not legal.
He’s conditioning his hair.
bannned i got wrote:
Star wrote:
Most exciting guy since Wheating?
Wheating had one good year - 2010.
In 2011 Wheating’s college teammate beat him and won the US 1500 and has had a decent career since then.
ughh no he didnt in the real world. he ran a 3:30 at monaco, and that track is 1m short in lane one, and gives 2-3 seconds in a 1500. so he ran a 3:32-33 and was convinced the fake track gave him some legit time.
seeing as his next best non monaco times are 3:34-35 he got dragged to a 3:32-33 at monaco.
2017 3:37.75 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2017
2016 3:38.60 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 20 MAY 2016
2015 3:38.75 Sydney (AUS) 14 MAR 2015
2014 3:38.53 Portland, OR (USA) 15 JUN 2014
2013 3:37.03 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 17 MAY 2013
2012 3:35.89 Burnaby (CAN) 10 JUN 2012
2011 3:34.39 Paris (FRA) 08 JUL 2011
2010 3:30.90 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2010 (real time is 3:32.90-3:33.90)
2009 3:40.92 Eugene, OR (USA) 24 APR 2009
2008 3:38.60 Eugene, OR (USA) 09 MAY 2008
2007 3:45.17 Eugene, OR (USA) 20 APR 2007
2006 3:54.28 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 24 JUN 2006
as we can see he hit his PR in 2010, and maintained in 2011, then trained like he was a 3:30 guy and got injured and kept getting discouraged that he couldnt find that magic again. if he would have known monaco was a fake track then he would have known he was at best a 3:32-33 guy and trained accordingly and not gotten depressed
Did you think about how long it takes to run 3 meters if you are traveling at 6.7m per second? (spoiler: .44 seconds)
Also FWIW 1500m at 3:35 pace is 6.97m per sconds, not 6.7.
Please stop posting on this website.
Wundrin wrote:
Yeah, not cool banned. But you were pretty much the MVP of the recent Houlihan doping thread, so all forgiven.
Here's the thing. You have a poster who is absolutely convinced that the Monaco track is short, based on absolutely basic mistakes in grade-school arithmetic, even though those mistakes have been pointed out to him in several different threads. So not just an oversight - he appears to genuinely not understand that 3 divided by 6 isn't 2.
You should keep this in mind when you anoint him "MVP of the recent Houlihan doping thread." He's been posting about doping here for years, with the same tone of absolute authority, backed by the same complete lack of relevant knowledge. It's worth reading his post in the Houlihan thread on the history of where he acquired all his knowledge about doping (tldr version: Google).
What do you mean the finish is 3.2 meters lower than the start. Is it not a track? How is that possible?
AP5000 wrote:
What do you mean the finish is 3.2 meters lower than the start. Is it not a track? How is that possible?
It goes downhill for 6 meters every 400m which gives you a 2s advantage.
Now for my non-American friends:
Monaco track material is a double layered Conipur Vmax.
The top layer has a resilient (stiff) surface, and the base layer, which is softer and more elastic, has embedded air-pockets that give the athlete the expended energy back after the compression.
Here you have it. Bouncy shoes on a bouncy track.
Food for thought. Thanks.
What were some of his other banned names? Maybe will google him to see his other history. I am not well acquainted with current doping (my knowledge ends with the Armstrong era), but Banned made some interesting comments that was new information to me. Are you saying his information was erroneous, or merely the insinuations or conclusions that he drew from them.
I will have to revisit the Houlihan thread, as there is probably more there than when I last checked. Per your notification, I will have to stay Banned's MVP affirmation until further review. Sorry, Banned. I know it hits you hard, but the trophy will be withheld until your information can be verified.
I haven't paid any attention to the current Monaco debate on this thread -- tl/dr, and, well, has the smell of kook. But yes, his reasoning does appear highly flawed.
Whoosh.
is there a carbon plate between the two layers? not sure why tracks wouldnt all be done in such a manner.
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