BREAKING NEWS !!! - Mboma (48.54) WITHDRAWN from the 400 in the Olympics (Yes, Really)

Sopa de Sabadell wrote:

Delivering elite performances despite faulty running form is a dead giveaway for either intersex condition or PEDs.

Paula Radcliff, Caster Semenya and now Mboma all seemed to have a "motor" pushing them forward despite running form inadequacies.

That's why I'm convinced that Mu is clean, her form is impeccable and matches her performances 100%.

And Cole Hocker, of course, who runs like a 6 year-old child.

Why should athletes with lower natural testosterone be protected by disadvantaging those with higher "natural" levels?

This is discrimination!

I'm tired wrote:

Can we at the very least demonstrate some kindness toward these women. They didn't ask to be born this way, it wasn't a choice that they made. They grew their entire lives as women and high testosterone levels doesn't change that reality for them. Yes I agree with the decision by world athletics to restrict their participation but can we not treat them like dopers or intentional cheats. Have heart, they're still people

I agree but Caster made every attempt to change the rules for herself and others just as the great achievement of Chambers is now Great Britain has to send convicted dopers go represent our nation in the Olympics.

That is not the case here but even running the 200m is merely circumventing a rule that should and will be closed.

Mboma's arm carriage gives her a longer stride. She shouldn't change it.

Well, they ARE banned from running the 400m in the Olympics in their natural physical state. Let’s look up different synonyms for banned, shall we…lol.

I will repeat, if African woman after woman continues to be banned from competing, the powers that be in track and field are going to have a serious problem on their hands. It is not a good look.

Not Surprised At All wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Data show the biggest advantage in 400, 800, pole vault and hammer throw, but NOT in 1500/mile. PV and HT are not "restricted" events because currently there is no world class athlete with hyperandrogenism in those events. CAS is not a scientific institution and their decision is not based on scientific findings. From their standpoint, there is no reason to restrict PV or HT because there is no obvious evidence that someone else's interests are hurt.

In other words, CAS is reactive, and they only restricted testosterone in intersex athletes in events in which they were currently competing.

They should have been proactive, and thought a little ahead, and restricted testosterone in intersex athletes in all events.

I never understood the reasoning behind 400-mile except to specifically exclude Semenya.

In my opinion the obvious power events such as the field events plus 100m to 800m should be controlled. Above that there really is little evidence.

Semenya for example would never run 3:51 like Hassan. Or 29:01. There is clearly no advantage to more testosterone in events over 1000m. Many, many factors go into making a distance athlete.

Maka wrote:

Why should athletes with lower natural testosterone be protected by disadvantaging those with higher "natural" levels?

This is discrimination!

So you're saying having separate male and female categories is discrimination against men?

These athletes are biological men who were designated as female at birth (incorrectly).

Also, there's zero chance the people involved with these athletes didn't know what was going on. They decided to spring them on the world a couple of months out from the end of the Olympic qualifying period in the hope that they could do the performances and there not be enough time for the authorities to make a ruling.

Maybe they would have been busted anyway, but they simply ran too fast to stay below the radar. What they really wanted was to get to the Olympics, win a gold medal, and then become a worldwide martyr and victim just like Semenya. Not as many people are going to hear or care about it now.

alanson wrote:

Here's the list of top 12 400 meter times:

1 47.60 Marita Koch

2 47.99 Jarmila Kratochvílová

3 48.14 Salwa Eid Naser

4 48.16 Marita Koch

4 48.16 Marita Koch

6 48.22 Marita Koch

7 48.25 Marie-José Pérec

8 48.26 Marita Koch

9 48.27 Olga Bryzgina

10 48.37 Shaunae Miller-Uibo

11 48.45 Jarmila Kratochvílová

12 48.54 Christine Mbonga

Naser is known to be dirty. Koch, Kratochvilova, Bryzgina are very strongly suspected to be dopers. Perec and Miller-Uibo are strongly believed to be clean. Now comes Mbonga. Even if this were Athing Mu, the integrity of the world record book would demand this discussion (and I think there is a 99.99% chance Mu is not cheating in any way). It goes with the territory.

Perec clean while coached by Koch's husband? Nope.

Maka wrote:

Why should athletes with lower natural testosterone be protected by disadvantaging those with higher "natural" levels?

This is discrimination!

It's actually testicles and high testosterone vs no testicles. People with ovaries can have high testosterone and won't be banned from women's sport.

From the shadows wrote:

Most of these athletes come from the same African area. I know that people from the Bantu tribe have a higher tendency to be hermaphrodites.

Bantu is not a tribe but a massive collection of tribes who speak languages from the bantu family so for example I am from the So tribe someone else may be from the Kikongo tribe we are both bantu but not the same tribe if you understand what I mean.

They are not banning African women just intersex athletes entered in women's events. They are free to compete in the open or male events.

trollism wrote:

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

You can thank the (fake) woke liberal angry people mob for these people being encouraged to circumvent the gender rules. Appalling stuff.

Have a day off.

Barely any followers of the sport (of any political leaning) think that athletes like Semenya should be competing with the women.

You'd be much happier if you didn't see everything though a Republican vs Democrat lens. I appreciate you're not in a great place right now and you're a very angry person, but this might help you with your issues.

STEVE the ADDICT (to child porn) makes EVERYTHING about dems and reps. Even his incessant grooming of children, as he only rapes dem children. Wanna fight STEVE? I'll snap your weak ass jaw.

trollism wrote:

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

You can thank the (fake) woke liberal angry people mob for these people being encouraged to circumvent the gender rules. Appalling stuff.

Have a day off.

Barely any followers of the sport (of any political leaning) think that athletes like Semenya should be competing with the women.

You'd be much happier if you didn't see everything though a Republican vs Democrat lens. I appreciate you're not in a great place right now and you're a very angry person, but this might help you with your issues.

Says the guy who never takes a day off, LOL! You're the angriest Democrat on this site, besides LL and Flaggy!

Coming from you....LOL wrote:

trollism wrote:

Have a day off.

Barely any followers of the sport (of any political leaning) think that athletes like Semenya should be competing with the women.

You'd be much happier if you didn't see everything though a Republican vs Democrat lens. I appreciate you're not in a great place right now and you're a very angry person, but this might help you with your issues.

Says the guy who never takes a day off, LOL! You're the angriest Democrat on this site, besides LL and Flaggy!

I've never voted Democrat and I'm not a member of the party. I'm always perfectly calm too. Never any anger from me.

ex-runner wrote:

Not Surprised At All wrote:

In other words, CAS is reactive, and they only restricted testosterone in intersex athletes in events in which they were currently competing.

They should have been proactive, and thought a little ahead, and restricted testosterone in intersex athletes in all events.

I never understood the reasoning behind 400-mile except to specifically exclude Semenya.

In my opinion the obvious power events such as the field events plus 100m to 800m should be controlled. Above that there really is little evidence.

Semenya for example would never run 3:51 like Hassan. Or 29:01. There is clearly no advantage to more testosterone in events over 1000m. Many, many factors go into making a distance athlete.

No advantage over 1000m? Then the men's and women's world records at those distances must be identical.

Here are some facts.

Intersex isn't tracked worldwide, but Kenya has done a census that found 1.7% were intersex. Intersex appears to be more common in Africa and parts of India than other ethnic groups.

High T is only banned in the 400-mile because the database of elite performances by intersex athletes was too small to show an advantage at other distances. (Note: This is most likely because a few intersex athletes who wouldn't have been good enough to compete at the world level probably show up in this smaller database. Their intersex advantage elevated them to national level but not to world class level so their performances weren't great.) I hope that was clear enough, but here it is another way. Just being intersex doesn't mean someone will be great. It just means they will be better than they would have been without the extra T. In a small database, a few mediocre high-T intersex could skew the data to make it seem that intersex high T didn't convey an advantage. I think everyone would agree that in real life, high T does convey an advantage.

In my opinion, a solution might be to handle intersex the way we handle awards at the USATF Masters Championships. Athletes outside the US are allowed to compete and get medals, but they don't bump US athletes out of medals. If the winner is Canadian, for example, he or she gets gold, but the 1st finishing US athlete also gets gold. This happened to me a few years back. I finished 3rd, but I got 2nd because the winner was Canadian.

alanson wrote:

Here's the list of top 12 400 meter times:

1 47.60 Marita Koch

2 47.99 Jarmila Kratochvílová

3 48.14 Salwa Eid Naser

4 48.16 Marita Koch

4 48.16 Marita Koch

6 48.22 Marita Koch

7 48.25 Marie-José Pérec

8 48.26 Marita Koch

9 48.27 Olga Bryzgina

10 48.37 Shaunae Miller-Uibo

11 48.45 Jarmila Kratochvílová

12 48.54 Christine Mbonga

Naser is known to be dirty. Koch, Kratochvilova, Bryzgina are very strongly suspected to be dopers. Perec and Miller-Uibo are strongly believed to be clean. Now comes Mbonga. Even if this were Athing Mu, the integrity of the world record book would demand this discussion (and I think there is a 99.99% chance Mu is not cheating in any way). It goes with the territory.

Perec ran away from drug testers.

Racism's still alive. They've just been concealing it!

~ Kanye West

That's not the question here. The real issue is why did they not get tested right from the start?

Another question is: do we have any rule that mandates countries to subject female athletes to an examination to determine thier "actual" sexuality before even leaving the home soil to prevent such abuse of innocent athletes?

Why is the IAAF not compelling all countries to determine the testosterone levels of all females? This will surely discover the DSD issue at play here.

The "Semenya rule" can be abused to benefit a few if nothing is done to prevent last minute discoveries like Mboma and Masilingi.

1 November 2018 is quite a long time gone and nothing has been done in terms of the above concerns.