Some of you who get prematurely excited about Hocker should watch THIS

holterskolter2 wrote:

j' wrote:

Great results for Wheating and Oregon, but 3.47..?

Centro v Hocker was a much better race.

55 last lap in a 3:47 race versus 52 last lap in a 3:35 race.

Agreed, really doesn't compare.

Another clown who cannot grasp that we are talking about a phenom who was expected to do great things. Are you people that stupid?

Wheating was plagued by injuries after his breakout 3:30 and 1:44 performances. It is not a coincidence that you do not see many elite 6'6" 800/1500 runners. Asbel Kiprop looked like a giant when he raced and he was 4" shorter than Wheating.

Hocker has a history of getting in just enough training and staying injury free. If he can dial up the training as a pro and stay healthy, there is no reason to expect him to flame out like Wheating.

Precious Roy wrote:

Wheating was plagued by injuries after his breakout 3:30 and 1:44 performances. It is not a coincidence that you do not see many elite 6'6" 800/1500 runners. Asbel Kiprop looked like a giant when he raced and he was 4" shorter than Wheating.

Hocker has a history of getting in just enough training and staying injury free. If he can dial up the training as a pro and stay healthy, there is no reason to expect him to flame out like Wheating.

OK a sensible post here. You are correct that Hocker may have a durable career and have much success. The point of the thread was to instill the notion that the future trajectory of these guys is UNKNOWN and maybe pump the brakes a bit.

Hocker exhibits EXACTLY the same personality and behavior tendancies as Wheating from my own observations and those close to him report. Injuries hurt Wheating but more than anything it is near impossible to meet the constant pressure of being the next big UO mega star to make a middle or long distance Olympic team. That has led to many, most even, crashing and burning. Centro accomplished the ultimate win but in the last 5 years he certainly has done little to back it up. Could Hocker turn out to be dominate for a decade? Certainly but the odds are he doesn’t. He makes a couple of the tactical mistakes he was able to overcome in Tokyo then he might not even make the final or come up short of a medal in the final.

Interesting that you see so many similarities. Wheating didn’t really start running seriously until he was like a senior in high school. Wheating had the same kind of talent as Alan Webb. Hocker may be close to a similar talent but surely a note of caution is in order for those who anticipate greet success. And yes it is imperative that the mental side of the sport is taken into account.

Yes, I remember thinking Wheating was the future after that 2010 season and how he looked early in the 2011 season.

But he never did win a USATF title.

He skipped the meet on 2010.

He was the heavy favorite in 2011 but Centro made a shocking upset over Lagat, Manzano and Wheating.

Lagat gave up his 15 spot to focus on the 5.

He made the 2012 team behind Manzano and Centro.

Hocker is a US champion, so he already has a leg up on Wheating.

But it is an example of high expectations not coming to fruition.

I miss Aj Acosta as well. The dude never fulfilled his potential.

Bad Argument wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Um...those were NCAA races. Hocker just won the Olympic Trials against a gold medalist in much faster than what you just presented here..

Wheating would have won the Olympic Trials but for a certain bison named Nick Symmonds.

Guess who Cole Hocker lost to in a race? That's right, Nick Symmonds.

Can we stop referring to Nick Symmonds as a "bison"?

Anyway, it's true there's never any guarantee of these young phenoms panning out, but I'd rather have Hocker's career over Wheating's already.

Sham 420 wrote:

Bad Argument wrote:

Wheating would have won the Olympic Trials but for a certain bison named Nick Symmonds.

Guess who Cole Hocker lost to in a race? That's right, Nick Symmonds.

Can we stop referring to Nick Symmonds as a "bison"?

Anyway, it's true there's never any guarantee of these young phenoms panning out, but I'd rather have Hocker's career over Wheating's already.

Yeah I think I’d prefer to be a two time Olympian over anything Hocker has done.

But if he wins gold now, does it really matter what he does in the future? Can you still be a bust if youre an Olympic Champion?

I don’t know about you, but I get premature ejaculate from Cole Cocker 🤭

Tremcc wrote:

But if he wins gold now, does it really matter what he does in the future? Can you still be a bust if youre an Olympic Champion?

Well of course if he wins Olympic gold now he will not be a bust. Although some here seem to label Peter Rono a bust or a fluke or some such nonsense.

I mean, pretty much every great US miler has been a bust, right? Ryun didnt win gold, Webb never even made a final. Steve Scott never had a great shot. Centro really didnt have high expectations put on him. A decade ago, how many people would have thought he would win gold? Point being, why be negative in thinking Hocker can’t accomplish more in the future?

HashTag wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Um...those were NCAA races. Hocker just won the Olympic Trials against a gold medalist in much faster than what you just presented here.

Hocker so far has more promise than Wheating did.

Ignorant post Flagpole. Wheaton won that 800m in 1:45, faster than Hocker has done. Hocker does NOT have more promise than what Wheaton showed before we had the benefit of hindsight. Plus Wheaton did run 1:44 and 3:30 later that year.

INCORRECT!

Hocker is 20 years old and hardly ran any mileage in high school. He is the youngest 1500 meter runner to be NCAA champ in 110 years, and he also just won the Olympic Trials. He ran an indoor mile in 3:50 at age 19. Wheating never EVER ran a mile that fast let alone an indoor mile at age 19.

Sorry dude, Wheating was great, but as we sit here today, Hocker has MORE promise.

Tremcc wrote:

I mean, pretty much every great US miler has been a bust, right? Ryun didnt win gold, Webb never even made a final. Steve Scott never had a great shot. Centro really didnt have high expectations put on him. A decade ago, how many people would have thought he would win gold? Point being, why be negative in thinking Hocker can’t accomplish more in the future?

Your initial sentences are not really logically leading to your final question. What I call potential reality is what you call negativity. Such is life. Steve Scott has a World Championship silver so he was in the mix.

reahnsrjw wrote:

HashTag wrote:

I am talking about 1:44 and 3:30. Who the hell cares what his 5000 on was? What was Seb Coe’s? How irrelevant can your nonsensical post be?

I see you are not very bright... Let me try again.

You used Wheaton's 800m time to compare him with Hocker.

You may not be aware of it but some 1500 m runners are more of the 800/1500 type, while others are more of the 1500/5000 type (like Jakob Ingebrigtsen).

My relevant post was meant to show that you are making a nonsensical comparison using their 800m PRs.

This guy was wrong to call me out for the simple fact that he is using Wheating's BEST times of his career when he was out of college to compare to Hocker when Hocker is now just 20 and ran an indoor mile in 3:50 when he was 19.

Sorry, but that's insane...both Hocker's showing so far and this guy (HashTag) not seeing how Hocker clearly has more promise today than Wheating did in that video that was posted.

Flagpole wrote:

HashTag wrote:

Ignorant post Flagpole. Wheaton won that 800m in 1:45, faster than Hocker has done. Hocker does NOT have more promise than what Wheaton showed before we had the benefit of hindsight. Plus Wheaton did run 1:44 and 3:30 later that year.

INCORRECT!

Hocker is 20 years old and hardly ran any mileage in high school. He is the youngest 1500 meter runner to be NCAA champ in 110 years, and he also just won the Olympic Trials. He ran an indoor mile in 3:50 at age 19. Wheating never EVER ran a mile that fast let alone an indoor mile at age 19.

Sorry dude, Wheating was great, but as we sit here today, Hocker has MORE promise.

Wheating has a faster mile equivalent. Wheating had just as much promise. Wheating ran less than Hocker in High School. You need to be mindful that we are looking at Wheating now in 2021, not as he was viewed in 2010.

reahnsrjw wrote:

HashTag wrote:

OK let us talk 1500m. 3:30 for Wheating. Case closed idiot. Read the subject of my thread and learn.

OK let us talk 1550m. 3:30 for Wheating at the age of 22y8months. Cole Hocker has just turned 20. Case is not closed, darling. Wait 2.5 years and then let's talk about it some more.

In the meantime, learn some manners and some running history.

Actually, the case IS closed. The discussion was about who has/had more promise...a Cole Hocker today vs. Wheating when that video was taken. Hocker ran 3:50 for the MILE INDOORS when he was 19! Wheating NEVER did anything that equates to that greatness. Hocker could have a career-ending injury tomorrow, but as we sit here today, there is no debate. Hocker has more promise.

HashTag wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

INCORRECT!

Hocker is 20 years old and hardly ran any mileage in high school. He is the youngest 1500 meter runner to be NCAA champ in 110 years, and he also just won the Olympic Trials. He ran an indoor mile in 3:50 at age 19. Wheating never EVER ran a mile that fast let alone an indoor mile at age 19.

Sorry dude, Wheating was great, but as we sit here today, Hocker has MORE promise.

Wheating has a faster mile equivalent. Wheating had just as much promise. Wheating ran less than Hocker in High School. You need to be mindful that we are looking at Wheating now in 2021, not as he was viewed in 2010.

Wheating wasn't 19 when he ran that, you doorknob! He never did ANYTHING in his career that is as great as what Hocker has already done considering his young age. Sorry, you are dead wrong.