Hocker final 100m 12.2

A Brazilian wrote:

Well, no. He is a 3:35 runner, maybe 3:32 / 3:33, who demonstrated to have a solid kick.

The rest of your post is fine, but you just need to stop with the absurd time predictions for Hocker. He just raced a freshly-minted 3:33 runner in Craig Engels and beat him by 1.4 seconds, basically all in the last 150. If you want to downgrade him for his lack of international experience, tactics etc. that's fine. But the hangup on his PB just shows a lack of understanding about the context of performances. The 3:50 mile indoors makes it an even sillier point to make.

toomanyspikes wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

What!! No he didn't. Manzano was on the 100m from home line at 3:21.6 in the race and finished in 3:34.79. So it wasn't even sub 13.0 secs. It was 13.2

That article link is completely inaccurate.

Both wrong. Manzano closed in 12.54.

https://www.flashresults.com/2012_Meets/outdoor/06-21-OlympicTrials/index.htm

No, I was not wrong. The poster claimed that Manzano finished the Olympic 1500m final in London 2012 in 12.0, as stated in the article he posted the link to.

I stated that his last 100m in that Olympic final was c. 13.2, nowhere near a 12.0 finish. The article was totally incorrect.

You are now referring to his last 100m in the US Trials from the same year, which is irrelevant to the claim made by the poster I was replying to.

Passant wrote:

Isn't this 12 seconds in the last 100m of the world record 3:29:67 (1985)?

https://i.ibb.co/GTBN25g/02.jpg

Aouita was known to be a kicker and outpass Morcelli in this aspect.

He had already 1:44:36 as PB in the 800m back in 1983.

Come on! Really, is it likely that the fastest ever last 100m of 11.9 occurred in a 1500m WR?

Of course not. That line is the end of the relay changeover zone and represents 90m from the finish line. The clear line before that is the 110m from home line. A lot of old tracks didn't have clear markings for the 100m from finish, so it has to be calculated by the splits at 90m and 110m from home. Both Aouita's and Cram's official last 100m splits can be found in the IAAF Progression of World Records Book (I have the 2007 edition). Aouita's was 13.2.

The 11.9 quoted at the time was from someone mistakingly taking his last 90m split

Emperor Tiberius wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

I have seen the entire race on dvd. The last lap was 50.5, last 300m 36.5 or 36.6. Hard to make out last 200m as the line is not clear. And the penultimate lap was 60 flat.

Where did you get the DVD? Could you upload the race to YouTube?

Unfortunately, it was sent to me by someone who paid a lot of money to a German TV company for it, under the condition that I would not pass it on or share it. So, I am true to my word. Sorry.

Deanouk wrote:

Unfortunately, it was sent to me by someone who paid a lot of money to a German TV company for it, under the condition that I would not pass it on or share it. So, I am true to my word. Sorry.

Said88.

He has numerous classic races on tape that he is keeping as financial investments. The BroJos should buy the Ryan race and others and only let premium members view them.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

On my viewing, Makhloufi ran approximately 12.8 for his last 100. Manzano ran exactly 12 seconds yes. Centrowitz 12.5. Iguider 12.8.

No! What are you doing?

Look at the race over the last lap again and ask yourself where Makhloufi ran his fastest 100m stretch!? It's not difficult. It's the back stretch where he powered away from the rest of the field, opening a huge gap and in the process, winning the race. That was a 12.3 100m stretch.

You can see Makhloufi noticeably slow down in the homestraight, which he ran in 14.1!

That is how the rest of the field closed on him.

Makhloufi's 100m splits from 1100m to the finish were:-

2:41.2, 2:54.7, 3:07.0, 3:20.0, 3:34.1.

Or, 13.5, 12.3 (back straight), 13.0 , 14.1.

Meaning his last 400m was 52.9, last 300m was 39.4, last 200m was 27.1, last 100m was 14.1.

You can see Makhloufi at the 1400m mark at 3:20.0 at this point in the race:

You are taking their last 100m splits from the 90m line! Do they look like the lines that the 100m blocks start on? No.

If we take 'your 100m splits' as accurate, then we have to take Makhloufi's 100m splits for the last lap as being - 13.5, 12.3, 14.3, 12.8!

Does it really look like he is slowing down by 2 secs round the last bend, compared to the previous 100m, and then speeding up again (dramatically!) in the last 100m?

No, it clearly does not.

Take a look at the start of the 100m from the same meet, if you still maintain that Manzano ran the last 100m in 12.0 (ROFL), where you can clearly see the lines in the middle of each lane at the beginning of straight, and can then apply same to the 1500m final.

So, Manzano's 1300m split was 3:08.3, and his 1400m split was 3:21.7 (possibly 3:21.6), giving him a last 200m of 26.5 and a last 100m of 13.1. That's 13.4, 13.1.

If we take your splits then we are to believe he ran the last bend (where he started closing on those in front) in 14.5, and then speeded up by 2.5 secs for a 12.0!

It never happened.

The most significant split in this entire race was Makhloufi's 12.3 down the back straight, and his 200m stretch of 25.3 from 1200m to 1400m. There was nothing significant about any of the finalists last 100m.

@ Deanouk

Your name is not strange to me in youtube comments.

You are one of these biased British, always trying to downgrade others.

Do the math, but dont do the "merchant" calculus. You will end not selling anything.

The 1500m race was the IOC's property, so link won't work. Here is another of the same point at 3:20.0 (Makhloufi at the 1400m mark) which people can hopefully access.

https://youtu.be/wSjVXUzpc84?t=293

Passant wrote:

@ Deanouk

Your name is not strange to me in youtube comments.

You are one of these biased British, always trying to downgrade others.

Not trying to downgrade others at all. I made it clear yesterday that Manzano's split was wrong, yet people are still trying to peddle nonsense as fact. Its a fact, not biased that Manzano and all the others in the race, did not run anything approaching 12 secs for the last 100m. People shouldn't go round making wild claims if they are blatantly wrong, and they only have themselves to blame if they can't do a bit of basic research on the topic. If some want to delude themselves that someone ran way above what they actually did because it makes them feel happy, then go for it.

You would think that a fan of T&F would at least be able to know where the 100m markings on a track would be!?

And what are you on about selling things!? I'm not selling anything on here or elsewhere.

Clown.