SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
Are there any (legal) shortcuts for marathon? Of course there are! If you by "shortcut"
means training half the mileage of the high mileage brigade and reach at least as good results.
But how to do it effectively and perform it then? Well.......very few know that Art of coaching.
You don't know it either.
You got a 1:02 half marathon Kenyan runner and transformed him in a 2:19 marathoner.
shortcut wrote:
Seems most coaches, plans and techniques agree on how to train from 800 up to half marathons.
For marathons, things go haywire here.
- Do long runs / don't run long.
- Do 20 milers / no need for long runs.
- Do vo2max works / don't do vo2max.
- This is big one: run at marathon pace / don't run at marathon pace.
- Fuel your runs / don't fuel
- Use caffeine/ don't.
- Do long reps. Don't.
Seriously while all these may work or not work.
Are there any shortcuts for marathon training?
You really don't want to do that long run, do you?
I'm curious, what marathon training program has no long runs? I'd like to see that one.
You are talking about a 26.2 mile marathon, right? Now the 5K marathong, that's a whole different beast ...
bfef wrote:
shortcut wrote:
Seems most coaches, plans and techniques agree on how to train from 800 up to half marathons.
For marathons, things go haywire here.
- Do long runs / don't run long.
- Do 20 milers / no need for long runs.
- Do vo2max works / don't do vo2max.
- This is big one: run at marathon pace / don't run at marathon pace.
- Fuel your runs / don't fuel
- Use caffeine/ don't.
- Do long reps. Don't.
Seriously while all these may work or not work.
Are there any shortcuts for marathon training?
You really don't want to do that long run, do you?
I'm curious, what marathon training program has no long runs? I'd like to see that one.
You are talking about a 26.2 mile marathon, right? Now the 5K marathong, that's a whole different beast ...
I run long 3 time a week.
Hansons has long runs of 16 miles.
The idea of this thread is why training for a marathon changes so much between plans.
If we agree on this, there must be a shortcut.
For some shortcut might be intensity (more milage)
For others might be my mileage ( high intensity).
Unfortunately the majority get lost between intensity vs mileage.
You do notice for a same runner marathon time can change based on intensity or mileage or both.
shortcut wrote:
The idea of this thread is why training for a marathon changes so much between plans.
If we agree on this, there must be a shortcut.
For some shortcut might be intensity (more milage)
For others might be my mileage ( high intensity).
Unfortunately the majority get lost between intensity vs mileage.
You do notice for a same runner marathon time can change based on intensity or mileage or both.
Following your logic you should then rename your thread:
A) How to find my running weakness for a marthon?
B) When the weakness was detacted , how to improve it?
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