She declared then didn’t run even though it’s the first race of the meet for her. Someone else would have been able to run if she hadn’t declared.
Much harder to root for her now.
She declared then didn’t run even though it’s the first race of the meet for her. Someone else would have been able to run if she hadn’t declared.
Much harder to root for her now.
It's a shame USATF doesn't have an Honest Effort rule
Alexi Santana wrote:
She declared then didn’t run even though it’s the first race of the meet for her. Someone else would have been able to run if she hadn’t declared.
Much harder to root for her now.
Oh no you poor thing
Lots of these instances upcoming. Surprised they can’t have next guys in descending order list laying in wait to at least maintain the integrity of heats. Men’s 1500 has some steeplechasers who are waiting to make finals and 800 guys who probably won’t want to race 1500 if they make the 800 team or not? Why doesn’t USATF ask doublers after the 800 final if he plans to race 1500? I see a possible 5 spots being freed up and if they all bail, the 1500 will have only 25 athletes show up and they’re reducing down to just 24 first heat.
it does have an honest effort rule: if you can honestly put forth the effort to run the qualifying standard (4:06.00 in this case), you get a ticket into the race. anything after that is accommodation, and NOT entitlement...
that's my story and i'm sticking to it,
cush
socalcush wrote:
it does have an honest effort rule: if you can honestly put forth the effort to run the qualifying standard (4:06.00 in this case), you get a ticket into the race. anything after that is accommodation, and NOT entitlement...
that's my story and i'm sticking to it,
cush
Can't disagree. Hit the standard and you are in so no one is really penalized the way it is now.
Not to change the subject but what are your thoughts on the SH situation, Cush?
Black Batman wrote:
It's a shame USATF doesn't have an Honest Effort rule
Wouldn't do any good. Athletes can go through the motions as well as anyone.
Whoever was left out has no realistic chance. "Honest effort rule" would be a solution in search of a problem.
That said, USATF can have more heats or have a pre-prelim heats or heats from among those who have no real chance (I think the Olympics do this in the 100?).
And, of course, they could just make the timing more palatable so that the 1500 and 5000 aren't on the same day of a 10 day meet. That is insanity and on that basis I have no idea with Cranny coping with moronic scheduling in a way that suits HER.
There is a standard. Don't hit the trials standard you have no chance for Olympic standard. It was her spot.
There should be an honest effort rule for events that begin on the same day in my view. I don’t mind having the 5 or the 10 to hedge with after one concludes. Knocking 29 to 24 is silly.
I don't understand this mindset. If you earned the spot, it's yours. If someone else wanted to race in her spot, they had ample opportunity to earn it themselves. No one is taking anyone's spot. Everyone is given the spot they earn.
ample opportunity? for many, it was incredibly difficult to find race opportunities over the last 16 months.
Joe Roberts wrote:
ample opportunity? for many, it was incredibly difficult to find race opportunities over the last 16 months.
while this seems like a fair point, i'm not sure it's true.
i was impressed with how many high level races popped up over the last several months, and that's not considering you had an extra year (however trying this year was) to hit the mark. while my personal experiences go back to the 90s, and geographically limited to west coast for the most part, it seems like every year presented challenges for "bubble"-level athletes to find opportunities, pandemic or not. my guess is if you live in or near high density populations or somewhere near the pacific northwest you'll always have more racing opportunities than someone in north dakota or montana. but that's just a guess...
on SH--boy, do i really want to believe she's telling the truth (i am very aware that i'm being victimized by my own inherent biases, and i've even met her once and she seemed so soft-spoken and NOT what you'd expect from a PED user), but the "red flags" thread's initial post proposes some good points in my opinion...
Stop blaming individual athletes for considering multi-events. Athletes may not know weeks out if 1500m or 5000m will be best. It was stated by others yesterday, USAT&F should allow 45 athletes per event. If USAT&F allowed 45 athletes per event, 3 to 5 athletes dropping an event at the last moment wouldn't hurt others. Athletes do not necessarily choose multi-events due to greed, it may be rooted in lack of confidence. Nineteen-seventy-two Summer Olympics, Alberto Juantorena did not make it to final, 400m. IMO, Juantorena trained for 400m & 800m, or trained as a 600m man, for 1976, not out of greed but as a hedge. Blame T&F officials, do not blame athletes.
socalcush wrote:
Joe Roberts wrote:
ample opportunity? for many, it was incredibly difficult to find race opportunities over the last 16 months.
on SH--boy, do i really want to believe she's telling the truth (i am very aware that i'm being victimized by my own inherent biases, and i've even met her once and she seemed so soft-spoken and NOT what you'd expect from a PED user), but the "red flags" thread's initial post proposes some good points in my opinion...
Thanks.
While I have not met her personally I agree with your take... I want to believe her but the story is just so hard to believe the way it has been presented. Sad either way.
The issue is USAT&F 30 athletes wrote:
Stop blaming individual athletes for considering multi-events. Athletes may not know weeks out if 1500m or 5000m will be best. It was stated by others yesterday, USAT&F should allow 45 athletes per event. If USAT&F allowed 45 athletes per event, 3 to 5 athletes dropping an event at the last moment wouldn't hurt others. Athletes do not necessarily choose multi-events due to greed, it may be rooted in lack of confidence. Nineteen-seventy-two Summer Olympics, Alberto Juantorena did not make it to final, 400m. IMO, Juantorena trained for 400m & 800m, or trained as a 600m man, for 1976, not out of greed but as a hedge. Blame T&F officials, do not blame athletes.
She could have scratched closer to the event though…nothing changed to affect her decision
That's correct. The rules allow for a scratch with no rationale.
equal opportunity wrote:
I don't understand this mindset. If you earned the spot, it's yours. If someone else wanted to race in her spot, they had ample opportunity to earn it themselves. No one is taking anyone's spot. Everyone is given the spot they earn.
Don’t they only allow a certain number in the trials? So if someone who is not running declares and doesn’t run they are wasting an opportunity for someone who was trying to make it into what would be the biggest race of their life.
Joe Roberts wrote:
ample opportunity? for many, it was incredibly difficult to find race opportunities over the last 16 months.
Qualifying marks from 2019, late 2020 and 2021 are accepted for this year's Trials/Olympics.
No. You hit the time and you have a spot. Too many entitled people here.
Joe Roberts wrote:
ample opportunity? for many, it was incredibly difficult to find race opportunities over the last 16 months.
there were plenty of race opportunities, might not have been as convenient as in the past but get it done and find a meet, clearly, other people did