See my post. She is going nowhere. Smoke screen at best. Look for her in the upcoming trials. Wait for it.
See my post. She is going nowhere. Smoke screen at best. Look for her in the upcoming trials. Wait for it.
jackamo wrote:
Who needs a lawyer when you get press like this from WaPo:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2021/06/16/shelby-houlihan-wada-ban/"American distance runner Houlihan almost certainly ate something that triggered a positive test for a minimal amount of the steroid nandrolone. WADA itself warned its labs in 2020 to beware that trace amounts of nandrolone could be found in pork and result in false positive results. So what happened when Houlihan appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport with a food log that showed she ate a pork burrito from a food truck the day before her drug test? And offered hair samples that showed no nandrolone had accrued in her, which it would have if she used it regularly? She got a four-year penalty and banishment from not one but two Olympics."
I love the intentional confusion being run here: "minimal amount" becomes "trace amount" by the transitory property of "we like these people". Zero evidence or fact to back that up. No idea for the reader to establish what amount she was tested at and what anti doping considers a "trace amount". But this is WaPo for you, where you never know what page the front page story will be on -- too busy serving the interests of powerful and important people/corporations, owned by the richest person in the world.
At least she put 'could' in there, or this thing really would look even more of a PR release than it seems to imply.
Sally Jenkins is one of the most opinionated, lazy journalists in the world.
Where?
Houlihan will never ever be cleared tis is because in all the other tainted food cases they can prove they ate tainted food Shelby can prove she was at the food truck but there is no way she can prove that she ate the pig offal because she ordered carne asada. She is basically asking the AIU to give her the benefit of the doubt that the chef screwed up and gave her contaminated pig offal which they will never do. Houlihan is banned and there is nothing she can do.
JBaller33 wrote:
jackamo wrote:
Who needs a lawyer when you get press like this from WaPo:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2021/06/16/shelby-houlihan-wada-ban/"American distance runner Houlihan almost certainly ate something that triggered a positive test for a minimal amount of the steroid nandrolone. WADA itself warned its labs in 2020 to beware that trace amounts of nandrolone could be found in pork and result in false positive results. So what happened when Houlihan appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport with a food log that showed she ate a pork burrito from a food truck the day before her drug test? And offered hair samples that showed no nandrolone had accrued in her, which it would have if she used it regularly? She got a four-year penalty and banishment from not one but two Olympics."
I love the intentional confusion being run here: "minimal amount" becomes "trace amount" by the transitory property of "we like these people". Zero evidence or fact to back that up. No idea for the reader to establish what amount she was tested at and what anti doping considers a "trace amount". But this is WaPo for you, where you never know what page the front page story will be on -- too busy serving the interests of powerful and important people/corporations, owned by the richest person in the world.
At least she put 'could' in there, or this thing really would look even more of a PR release than it seems to imply.
Sally Jenkins is one of the most opinionated, lazy journalists in the world.
She also has a history of protecting dopers through her insane, distorted articles.
https://dcist.com/story/12/12/17/sally-jenkins-finally-writes-about/I'm not really sure why she is so sympathetic to dopers and angry at the people trying to remove them from the sport.
This line would get you to her psychology:
"Maybe I’m not angry at Lance because for two decades now I’ve had serious questions about the wisdom and fairness of the “anti-doping” effort, which consists of criminalizing and demonizing athletes for what boils down to using medications without a prescription, as if they are heroin dealers. And I’m confused as to why using cortisone as an anti-inflammatory in a 2,000-mile race is cheating, and I wonder why putting your own blood back into your body is the crime of the century."
For her, doping is an issue of paperwork. Having a regulatory body -- having a gestapo. And not sure heroin dealers care about prescriptions or medicinal use of rec drugs.
She's the Andy Rooney of sports journalism. If she's too lazy or stupid to figure out why the mentioned things are a problem, try asking someone that knows or has some stake in the outcome. Yes, cheaters are demonized, in sport, in life -- not sure what she teaches her kids about ethics, but might be frightening.
If you want to be that reductionist why not just let the cyclists put motors on the bike? They are trying to go 2000 miles after all.
rojo wrote:
As a track fan, you basically have two option. you can believe.
2)She's innocent her case exposes fissures in an anti-doping system in need of overhaul.
Where do these fissures exist? Is it between cheaters and everyone else?
D In SHM wrote:
See my post. She is going nowhere. Smoke screen at best. Look for her in the upcoming trials. Wait for it.
Told ya so. You people of the sport truly disappoint me.
jackamo wrote:
This line would get you to her psychology:
"Maybe I’m not angry at Lance because for two decades now I’ve had serious questions about the wisdom and fairness of the “anti-doping” effort, which consists of criminalizing and demonizing athletes for what boils down to using medications without a prescription, as if they are heroin dealers. And I’m confused as to why using cortisone as an anti-inflammatory in a 2,000-mile race is cheating, and I wonder why putting your own blood back into your body is the crime of the century."
For her, doping is an issue of paperwork. Having a regulatory body -- having a gestapo. And not sure heroin dealers care about prescriptions or medicinal use of rec drugs.
She's the Andy Rooney of sports journalism. If she's too lazy or stupid to figure out why the mentioned things are a problem, try asking someone that knows or has some stake in the outcome. Yes, cheaters are demonized, in sport, in life -- not sure what she teaches her kids about ethics, but might be frightening.
If you want to be that reductionist why not just let the cyclists put motors on the bike? They are trying to go 2000 miles after all.
I imagine her point is that it should not be cheating in the first place. You're not cheating if you're not breaking the rules.
It's called "moral relativism"
They don't believe in right or wrong....
Common among cheaters, thieves, criminals...
I believe Houlihan for a different weird reason that shows her "no cheat" mentality.
She was one of the last people to use super-shoes, she waited until everyone else was using them first. Even into 2020, old school Victorys and Matumbos in competition.
Why would someone give up a free "legal" second per lap and then instead take an obscure banned drug for maybe a second per lap gain, being probably one of the top 20 heavily tested track athletes in the USA knowing the samples are stored for years and years and can be checked at any time?
I mean she is setting national records, she knows she is being watched/tested. She's not going to casually blow her whole career like that. She's not some back-of-the-pack wannabe who is desperate to move up.
Speaking of which, where is the old sample testing showing a pattern of behavior? Because there likely isn't any.
But but her spikes.
Bullsh!t - she is a drugs cheat.
If she is a systematic drug cheat then show me the previous tests that put her on a watchlist like Sifan Hassan.
Houlihan set the american record twice in three years, there must be a dozen samples from her being stored in and out of competition.
Why such a weird drug with so little benefit?
another perspective wrote:
I believe Houlihan for a different weird reason that shows her "no cheat" mentality.
She was one of the last people to use super-shoes, she waited until everyone else was using them first. Even into 2020, old school Victorys and Matumbos in competition.
Why would someone give up a free "legal" second per lap and then instead take an obscure banned drug for maybe a second per lap gain, being probably one of the top 20 heavily tested track athletes in the USA knowing the samples are stored for years and years and can be checked at any time?
I mean she is setting national records, she knows she is being watched/tested. She's not going to casually blow her whole career like that. She's not some back-of-the-pack wannabe who is desperate to move up.
Speaking of which, where is the old sample testing showing a pattern of behavior? Because there likely isn't any.
https://i.imgur.com/4TPN8D0.jpg
Just wanted to point out a couple things. Nandrolone is not "an obscure" banned drug by a long shot. It is one of the most common anabolics out there, often referred to as "deca" in the bodybuilding world. The reason so few people test positive for it is because it takes so long to clear from the system (exact opposite of what Rojo said in the initial post!) and thus NOBODY USES IT ANYMORE THAT GETS TESTED.
Houlihan was tested 12x by USADA alone in 2020 and 9x in 2021 and she only returned one positive test with exceedingly low amounts of nandrolone, a drug that can be detected for many months if not even over a year when used at efficacious doses.
another perspective wrote:
If she is a systematic drug cheat then show me the previous tests that put her on a watchlist like Sifan Hassan.
Houlihan set the american record twice in three years, there must be a dozen samples from her being stored in and out of competition.
Why such a weird drug with so little benefit?
The most logical explanation is that she ordered her usual designer steroid from China, but last year's supply chain disruptions meant she ended up with plain old nandrolone, much cheaper to procure... no wonder Schumacher is mad.
I mean, she wanted a pork burrito and ended up with a carne asada. Clearly suppliers are not always reliable.
;)
data hack wrote:
This is really looking embarrassing for you guys. So much for being champions of clean sport.
I agree. This is the most embarrassing article in the history of LetsRun.
another perspective wrote:
If she is a systematic drug cheat then show me the previous tests that put her on a watchlist like Sifan Hassan.
Houlihan set the american record twice in three years, there must be a dozen samples from her being stored in and out of competition.
Why such a weird drug with so little benefit?
Lance Armstrong approves of your logic.
another perspective wrote:
If she is a systematic drug cheat then show me the previous tests that put her on a watchlist like Sifan Hassan.
LOL. Ask Shelby for her ABP data, or AIU for transparency. Good luck!
another perspective wrote:
Why such a weird drug with so little benefit?
Weird? That's an anabolic steroid with lots of well documented benefits.
Plus, it really gives you the extra boost when used together with blood doping (see e.g. BTC Jager's ABP).
Drug cheats out!
Done for roids and posts this picture on her insta????
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQRLCKelva2/
unbelievable cheek.
Are the brojos and gault going to eat crow on this embarrassing L?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Des Linden: "The entire sport" has changed since she first started running Boston.
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
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