Drew Hunter not running Oly trials??

rj123 wrote:

and remember, before his injuries, he had qualified for the Olympics --

He qualified for Worlds, not the Olympics. and that was only because the runners weren't allowed to chase the standard at the trials. Woody should have qualified, not him

Also note that the Olympic Standard is much faster. It's 13:13.50 and Drew Hunter has never run within 4 seconds of that.

There are at least 13 Americans who already have that standard in the qualifying window.

It's garden variety LRCBF idiocy to see a successful college coach who happened to also coach the best US distance runner in history as a pro and just assume he's interested in coaching or would really be good for any and every random pro distance runner.

rojo wrote:

Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:

This guy made two colossal mistakes:

1. Going pro too early instead of running for Oregon

2. "Moving up" for no reason at all -- he's a 800/1500 man

Anyway, he's done. Career over.

He made $4 milllion dollars. I wouldn't call it a colossal mistake. Might have actually been quite smart..

Who made 4 million dollars?

do I like divide something? wrote:

rojo wrote:

He made $4 milllion dollars. I wouldn't call it a colossal mistake. Might have actually been quite smart..

Who made 4 million dollars?

Pretty obvious that rojo is talking about Drew. I don’t think he’s made that much yet, though. I remember the contract being 10 years at ~400k with no reductions for the first 5. Drew just finished year 5. Rojo can correct me if I’m wrong.

DC Wonk wrote:

Hunter's best events are the 800 and 1500? His hips and shoulders move more than his feet! The only coach who could fix that form is AlSal, because I’m sure AlSal watched one one race of Hunter and likely said it’s amazing he runs as fast as does.

Plus finishing speed. Hocker would leave Hunter standing still in the final lap.

Don’t get me wrong - I’ve always wanted Hunter to succeed. He just needs to make some hard decisions on how he will run his best.

Salazar didn't have much success in fixing his own form. You don't remember Hunter outkicking Fisher or that he ran 1:48 in HS?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

DC Wonk wrote:

Hunter's best events are the 800 and 1500? His hips and shoulders move more than his feet! The only coach who could fix that form is AlSal, because I’m sure AlSal watched one one race of Hunter and likely said it’s amazing he runs as fast as does.

Plus finishing speed. Hocker would leave Hunter standing still in the final lap.

Don’t get me wrong - I’ve always wanted Hunter to succeed. He just needs to make some hard decisions on how he will run his best.

Salazar didn't have much success in fixing his own form. You don't remember Hunter outkicking Fisher or that he ran 1:48 in HS?

Except Drew's PR is still 1:48 in the 800 and Grant Fisher has now made the Olympic team.

CLEARLY Hunter's coaches have failed him.

aztec the moronic wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Salazar didn't have much success in fixing his own form. You don't remember Hunter outkicking Fisher or that he ran 1:48 in HS?

Except Drew's PR is still 1:48 in the 800 and Grant Fisher has now made the Olympic team.

CLEARLY Hunter's coaches have failed him.

Hunter has been hindered by injuries. People on LR make it seem like success or failure is all do to coaching, but injuries are usually out of the control of the coach. A group of runners can be doing the training and some will suffer injuries and some won't.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Hunter has been hindered by injuries. People on LR make it seem like success or failure is all do to coaching, but injuries are usually out of the control of the coach. A group of runners can be doing the training and some will suffer injuries and some won't.

Tinman actually got FIRED because his ENTIRE group was CONSTANTLY injured. you want me to believe that tinman was just unlucky to have 20 extremely injury prone guys?

It was OBVIOUSLY the training that injured them.

Anybody who is really objective, could theorize that Hunter's rough form could lead to injuries.

He must have a huge engine to get what he he has, out of that form.

If I were the Hunter's I would call Ron Warhurst today, and move him to Ann Arbor, Ron is great at form modifications, he really is. It would be a good fit.

I think folks rail on Hunter inappropriately, you did not have to have a crystal ball to see most of this (Injury issues)as possible. Still, he has run 3:35.90 7:39 and 13:17

These are good marks for a not yet turned 24 year old guy.

king999 wrote:

If I were the Hunter's I would call Ron Warhurst today, and move him to Ann Arbor, Ron is great at form modifications, he really is. It would be a good fit.

Then why does Ferlic still look like a train wreck?

Way better than he was. There is a video on You

Tube of Ferlic ,not over hurdles, if you look at it his form is OK and way better than three years ago. He ran 1:23.8 at the end of a workout for 600, it works good enough. You know how many steeplers we have all time that have run 3:35.x?

Look it up......

SDSU Aztec wrote:

aztec the moronic wrote:

Except Drew's PR is still 1:48 in the 800 and Grant Fisher has now made the Olympic team.

CLEARLY Hunter's coaches have failed him.

Hunter has been hindered by injuries. People on LR make it seem like success or failure is all do to coaching, but injuries are usually out of the control of the coach. A group of runners can be doing the training and some will suffer injuries and some won't.

if every athlete in the group is doing the same training then i would say that is the sign of a bad coach. some people are def injury prone and i empathize with them, but a good coach and support team can absolutely help with injury prevention and staying consistent. its sounds like tinman was basically just giving cookie cutter workouts to them anyway and they were probably just doing it mostly on their own towards the end as well. the whole tinman vibe never seemed conducive to favorable results imo tho. the prs for half the group are consistent with competitive club runners working full time jobs. add in the fact that they are too concerned about the brand work and not enough emphasis on the running, form and recovery (wearing a whoop and putting on normatec boots at the end of the day isnt going to solve your problems). the result is a lot of injured runners and disappointing performances.