North Carolina A & T, men 4 x 400m win

Don't know, but you are probably right that HBUs had more athletic success before 1965.

What surprised me was two non P5 schools go 1 and 2. To be at nationals required 4 really good quarter milers. If you are all in on sprints as a mid major like NCA&T you might make it every once and awhile, but a win is big. And SFA is not exactly all in on sprints (had a guy win the vault) and sponsor a well rounded team. How did they pull that kind of 400m depth to beat the big boys?

Ed Temple's Tennessee State Women's teams were awesome.

An unusual victory wrote:

North Carolina A & T men's 4 x 400m relay earned a victory yesterday. NC A &T is a Historically Black University. Has a 4 x 100m or 4 x 400m relay from a H.B.C.U. won at NCAA Championship in prior years? One would think HBCU's would have done well before universities integrated in 1960's, but maybe not. Thoughts?

The 4x1 and 4x4 have only been run at the NCAA meet since 1964, and no HBCU had won either before A&T yesterday.

Ghost of McEnroe wrote:

An unusual victory wrote:

North Carolina A & T men's 4 x 400m relay earned a victory yesterday. NC A &T is a Historically Black University. Has a 4 x 100m or 4 x 400m relay from a H.B.C.U. won at NCAA Championship in prior years? One would think HBCU's would have done well before universities integrated in 1960's, but maybe not. Thoughts?

The 4x1 and 4x4 have only been run at the NCAA meet since 1964, and no HBCU had won either before A&T yesterday.

Prior to 1964, I assume 4 x 110 yards and 4 x 440 yards. Are you saying no 4 x 110 yards and no 4 x 440 yards prior to 1964?

It surprises me that more schools like this don't beat P5 schools. They have the same number of scholarships coupled with cheap enrollment and much lower admission standards. They should be faster.

They won the indoor 4x4

Leroy Walker and the great days of North Carolina Central University.

smarter than Astro wrote:

It surprises me that more schools like this don't beat P5 schools. They have the same number of scholarships coupled with cheap enrollment and much lower admission standards. They should be faster.

Some of the p5 schools bend over on athlete admissions..lsu, bama is a start

smarter than Astro wrote:

It surprises me that more schools like this don't beat P5 schools. They have the same number of scholarships coupled with cheap enrollment and much lower admission standards. They should be faster.

An occasional athlete from HBCU's does not surprise me, a relay victory surprises me. The facilities at HBCU's, it would not surprise me if inferior. We had court cases about this: Separate But Equal. Separate has never been equal. By your logic, Grambling U. should beat LSU in dual track & field meets.

Stephen F. Austin is a rinky dink school in Huntsville, Tx. For them to run 3:01 flat is amazing. Their anchor ran about 43:35 which is about 44 flat for the open 400. Amazing.

An unusual victory wrote:

smarter than Astro wrote:

It surprises me that more schools like this don't beat P5 schools. They have the same number of scholarships coupled with cheap enrollment and much lower admission standards. They should be faster.

An occasional athlete from HBCU's does not surprise me, a relay victory surprises me. The facilities at HBCU's, it would not surprise me if inferior. We had court cases about this: Separate But Equal. Separate has never been equal. By your logic, Grambling U. should beat LSU in dual track & field meets.

I used to live in NC and have been to a number of meets at NCA&T. They’ve hosted East regionals a number of times, as well as New Balance high school nationals several times. Their facility is no joke!

It isn’t quite TxA&M’s new facility, but it is a superb track.

No they shouldn't. Grambling in underfunded. They are worse than a D3 school. You don't seem to understand the huge advantage that A&T has with such low admission standards. Nearly nobody on their team could be admitted to LSU.

Why is it a surprise? They also have low standards. If you run 47 in high school and score 18 on the ACT, you either go JUCO, D2, or to one of only a handful terrible academic schools in D1. These schools are the ones who do well in sprints. The Ivies don't have many elite sprinters but they have some elite distance runners.

Go away rainy day wrote:

No they shouldn't. Grambling in underfunded. They are worse than a D3 school. You don't seem to understand the huge advantage that A&T has with such low admission standards. Nearly nobody on their team could be admitted to LSU.

Anyone else want to jump in here with some negative racial inferences? Now's your chance. The door is open.

And kids would rather walk on to those schools than get a full ride to a random no name!

smarter than Astro wrote:

It surprises me that more schools like this don't beat P5 schools. They have the same number of scholarships coupled with cheap enrollment and much lower admission standards. They should be faster.

For starters, these schools have the potential to offer the same amount of scholarship (within the rules). But while the P5 and G5 are largely fully funded many schools in the other 21 DI conferences are not. Don't know about SFA and NCA&T, but I suspect they are fully funded or close to it.

But the nations are going to command full rides, and with when the cost is equal they opt for big schools. On top of that, many high level, second tier type athletes opt to pay more and take small offers from a P5 as opposed to a big offer from a Southland school.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, but it makes what SFA did very impressive, especially when you consider that they recruit and scholarship more than just sprints.

You missed the real reason. These schools are like overpaid JUCOs. They get all of the top sprinters that can't get admitted to a P5.

smarter than Astro wrote:

It surprises me that more schools like this don't beat P5 schools. They have the same number of scholarships coupled with cheap enrollment and much lower admission standards. They should be faster.

The HBCUs might not have the resources, facilities, and razzle dazzle to attract top recruits compared to marquee state schools. Additionally, as a track and field athlete with limited pro opportunities, you have to consider academics. Except for the best athletes with pro offers as an undergrad, most are going the whole four years. I think of Anna Cockrell. Only the 2nd athlete to do the 100h/400h double, loads of other athletic achievements in her career, but she stuck around and got a masters. Probably limited pro contracts opportunities for here. That masters from USC will probably help more than a degree from NC A&T.

Your statement is an opinion. Blacks run faster than whites. That is a fact. How do you know what a race is capable of unless you perform genetic testing? That is a barbaric practice that previous cultures performed. It is disgusting that you would even bring that up.