What is interesting is that Laird has yet to win a title in his best event, the 200m, thanks to Boling indoors and Fahnbulleh outdoors. Sets up some nice dramatic tension for the Trials.
What is interesting is that Laird has yet to win a title in his best event, the 200m, thanks to Boling indoors and Fahnbulleh outdoors. Sets up some nice dramatic tension for the Trials.
It does not matter because through out my responses to you I considered your comment about being the fastest hs kid as over hyping and explained exactly. You responded by giving me as resume as if I responded to you by saying he was over hyped in general. While I might believe that in general, that was not the argument to you. My argument was narrow and very specific so yeah the entire resume was irrelevant to my argument.
Boling already has a new coach and her name is Caryl Smith Gilbert. During her modest stint at USC she developed sprinters TeeTee Terry and Andre DeGrasse.
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It does not matter because through out my responses to you I considered your comment about being the fastest hs kid as over hyping and explained exactly. You responded by giving me as resume as if I responded to you by saying he was over hyped in general. While I might believe that in general, that was not the argument to you. My argument was narrow and very specific so yeah the entire resume was irrelevant to my argument.
He was overhyped in general and my argument was narrow?
Seems contradictory.
Not sure why you feel someone with the following resume coming out of HS does not deserve lots of hype and expectations. You seem to offer no facts for your view although you think you "explained exactly".
Fastest HS 100m run under all conditions.
Fastest HS 100m run in a HS race.
Number 1 in HS in 100m, 200m, and the long jump.
Sub 45 second 4 x 400 anchor leg.
In the relay, his arms were almost going sideways. He needs to transfer to Houston. Carl Lewis will set him straight.
So true...he has three years of Outdoors left. Let's see where he ends up in terms of times.
WAIT! Two things...his improved performances are only due to maturing? Not true...I could list 10 athletes of the top of my head who were State Champs in High Shcool and have done nothing of note their first two years in College. NOTHING! So maturing is absolutely no guarantee of improvement...much less winning an NCAA title.
You are saying he did nothing of note when it mattered. Winning NCAA Indoors did not matter? He performed exceptionally well then. Additionally, he medalled in the BEST conference in the nation. I am not sure I get your point. He is just not the BEST college athlete at this stage of his career. IO think a lot of folks are premature in their judgments here. He will medal Outdoors next year...might not win if Fahnbulleh learns how to run the first 20m of a race, but many Olympic medalists have not won gold at NCAA's. I am not a huge Matt Boling fan, I think his upside is a bit limited. But give the kid, and his coaches, a break! I think two years of College Outdoor Track might be a better barometer for MB. Get back to me next year.
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DrGator wrote:
SOMEWHAT LENGTHY POST - but contains stats.
Let’s look at the two sprints…in the 100m in HS, he was consistently a 10.2-10.5 sprinter. He peaked at USATF Junior Nationals 2019 and ran a 10.13 windy. But that was the exception.
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In the 200m, the improvement is even more significant. He was a 20.5-21.0 sprinter in High School. Peaking in the 2019 Junior Nationals at 20.36s.
Great post, I just want to correct. Boling’s HS PRs we’re run at Pan-Am Juniors in 2019.
10.11 (0.5)
20.31 (-0.8)
He’s obliterated the 200, but been a far cry from the 100m.
https://panam2019.org/ResultadoNew.aspx?eve=696&pru=1121&ser=2
Good point. However, he graduated HS in May 2019. So I didn't count that as a HS record.
It may not be all Georgia's coaching that changed his form though. His is taller and heavier which could have effected his turnover and he might just be like asafa Powell he runs relaxed until he races opponents as fast as him then he tenses up.Georgia isn't correcting mistakes, but they may not be causing them
FYI - Matt chose UGA, so he could be close to his Twain brother Mike who goes to Georgia Tech and in the NCCA Championship he really looked fatigue in the 200m, let’s see if UGA leans Matt down a few pounds and work on his start and endurance for next season And for transferring, we all have to wait and see
Two answers!
All guys mature physically between the ages of 19 and 21, in a way that is beneficial for sprinting, as long as they are in training. No, maturation is no guarantee of improvement--it can be interfered with, by either sloth (no training), or training that is just flat-out wrong, all other things being equal. I am of the mind that either his training did him no benefit at all and any improvement we saw came from maturation alone, or that his improvement due to maturation would have been even greater had bad coaching not actively been detrimental to him.
That is why I suggested that he just run free at trials. Who knows, he might be better just forgetting everything UGA and being himself.
Second, no, indoors doesn't matter. It's interesting, a curiosity, an aside--but in the big picture, it doesn't matter. Same with sectionals. They are just stepping-stones, preludes to the real show, which is the NCAA's, open nationals, trials every 4th year, WC's and Olympics--i.e. the top of whatever competitive category he's in. Right now that is NCAA, because he hasn't earned a spot on the national team, WC team, Olympic team, etc. This was his first time competing when it mattered, and it was a failure. Yes he had "respectable" results, but look at how he achieved them, and look at his potential. I agree that he had a great indoor 200m time...but ultimately what did it get him? Nothing. What could it have gotten him? Nothing. It is just an aside, something that doesn't really matter.
And once again, nobody that I have read here is "judging" Boling personally--we (I, at least) am judging the coaching he has received, as judged by how he performed. Yes there could be confounding factors, like injury, illness, etc., but we haven't heard anything about those things. By all accounts he was healthy and ready to go.
And if you will note, I confined my criticism to this meet. I said this meet was a disaster. And it was. The only good thing about it is that it might put some more fire in his belly for trials.
And if he lays down a good 200m time at trials but runs it in a ridiculous and tortured way,, it will be DESPITE the coaching, not because of it.
If otoh he executes a beautiful race to a time that is fast for him or an excellent placement, I will be equivocal about the coaching and consider that they have achieved some redemption, but that NCAA's still sucked and that the overall package was inconsistent.
One thing for sure, trials will be interesting.
FYI - Fahnbulleh didn't compete in the US Olympic Trials because he will be - competing / representing the country of Liberia in 2021 Olympics
Well, Georgia is getting a new coaching regime (and a very good one based on results), so maybe he doesn't need to transfer out (if he ever did).
Why didn't Matt go to USC in the first place if he wanted he wanted to be coached by Caryl and her staff? Who says that he will stay at Georgia because of Caryl?
Matt really does need a new coach, he ran 10.11 & 20.31 at the 2019 Pan American U20 Athletics Championships in San José, Costa Rica as an 18 year old. He ran slower in both events his Freshman year at UGA, but did reduce his 200m time to 20.19 as a Sophmore.
I expected more improvement.
Javman started this thread and posts on another sports forum, yappi, quite often. If he reads this thread I would be curious to hear his opinion of Abby Steiner's form. Many say she could be a lot faster with better form. Asking because I know that you follow her closely. Maybe she needs a different coach?
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!