condoner wrote:
Aaleby wrote:
Forgot to include this: "Jakob, the youngest of the Ingebrigtsen brothers, is only 11 years old and ran the 8.2 km long Siddisløpet in 29.56. How is that possible, the researchers ask themselves."
I don’t know if it really matters who is doping. If we assume everyone is doping, then there is a level playing field.
It isn't. The whole point of doping is get an edge on your competitors - whether they are doped or not. It is an arms race; not a level playing field.
I was an average (at best) small college runner (4:09 1500M). My Hgb has always been around 13.8-14.0. My wife was a national caliber distance swimmer. Her Hgb has always been 17-18.
Cavorty wrote:
Jon Arne Glomsrud wrote:
What kind of tribe is this??? Skiers in Norway come from any part of Norway, since we basically have snow all over (apart from Stavanger where the Ingebrigtsens are coming and Henrik being an excellent skier was not taken seriously so he switched to running and not skiing, good god that happened). Being a country with a long coastline, we have been active in maritime activities including exchange of DNA with a large part of europe at least for 1000s of years. I think Norwegians are quite diverse in their DNA and no special tribe
In 'The Sports Gene' by David Epstein, chapter 16 details a Finish Olympic x-country skier Eero Mantyranta who had a mutation of chromosome 19 that resulted in an unusually high red blood cell count, as did several of his relatives. From the book, Frode Estil a Norwegian Olympic Gold winning x-country skier had a similar condition.
As far as I picked up it has no (big) positive effect. The body seems to adapt to the very long-term natural levels. I cannot quite understand how the very long term altitude effect is different from this, but... Very high red blood cell count also makes the blood thicker and the health risk increases
Actually I do not know what is the most important for VO2 uptake. Someone said stroke volume of the heart, for sure blood cell count has an effect, also mithocondria. I guess it is a long chain of functions that need to work optimized.
Condoner: That attitude right there, "I don’t know if it really matters who is doping. If we assume everyone is doping, then there is a level playing field." is whats ruining sport.
In many countries this is what they believe. And thats why they themselves have no problem doing drugs.
But luckily in Norway we dont believe that. And we will not be cheaters "because everyone else is doing it". We believe in a clean sport and will play by the rules. Its more important to be able to look yourself in the mirror and know you didnt cheat, than to win.
oh yeah right.......what a load of rot! what a saintly bunch you are.next thing youll be saying jesus has come back,and hes norwegian.You wouldnt have a clue what all 5 million norwegians are doing,what goes through their minds,what their psyche is,whether or not they have a win at all costs mentality or whether or not they have a cheating mentality.You dont know if sport is clean there or not.And before you jump down my throat,i remember a couple years back someone posted about norway being a new doping epicenter in the world,because of all the doping elite athletes there.I defended norway,and said it isnt a doping epicenter of any kind.I mentioned a few elite athletes are probably doping,but most norwegian athletes are clean as whistles.Their overall standard in athletics is far too low to have a mass doping program.
Nor-way wrote:
But luckily in Norway we dont believe that. And we will not be cheaters "because everyone else is doing it". We believe in a clean sport and will play by the rules. Its more important to be able to look yourself in the mirror and know you didnt cheat, than to win.
Oh wow. If you don't believe that then you all must be clean.
No one in Norway lies, cheats or dopes. You are pure and an example for humanity.
Not saying Jakob is doping, I have no idea. But neither have you. Your nationalism and pride mean nothing if one of your countrymen decides to dope.
And don't forget that Gjert and the boys are all about winning. They have stated it themselves that they don't enjoy running.
srjm wrote:
Nor-way wrote:
But luckily in Norway we dont believe that. And we will not be cheaters "because everyone else is doing it". We believe in a clean sport and will play by the rules. Its more important to be able to look yourself in the mirror and know you didnt cheat, than to win.
Your nationalism and pride mean nothing if one of your countrymen decides to dope.
Ofc the ticket towards starting with doping can be said to be significant cheaper if you are from a country where its almost socially accepted, like in Russia compared to Norway, where you would be reckoned as persona non grata if you were caught cheating yourself to the very top.
The consequential damages would be of a whole different level. Also towards your colleagues whom in Norway would be seen as shady and inedible because of your own actions.
The danger of losing the respect among your fellow citiziens on national level and to be looked upon as a filthy cheater is a heavy burden in a small country like Norway. Especially for those who stribes for glory. There aint much glory left if u end up being 4ever looked down upon from the eyes of your own countrymen.
In lots of countries doping is almost seen as something everyone does, where you either choose to cheat or miss the chance for glory. Not in Norway. Not even close.
oh everyone from every country says that.'our athletes would never dope,because......' the reality is none of it is true,people have short memories,scandals soon fade,and people go on living their lives.norway is no different.
I wouldn't be surprised if the father experiments on himself even though he's not an athlete. Kind of like Salazar with his sons, only on himself as the guinea pig instead of his sons because his sons are the actual prize horses and not guinea pigs. The father is meticulously invested in his sons success and is clearly living vicariously through his sons.
Dumbest excuse I ever heard