What an amazing athlete!! SIfan Hassan 3:53.63 just 4 days after setting 10,000 WR!!!

ddidididid wrote:

The really unique part is doing the events. Anyone doubt that a 328/1248 Jacob could run like a 2640 if he ran the race a half dozen times? Or that 143/329/1258/2726 aoutia could have ran faster if he ran the 10k more than once. Or that a guy like webb could have run a better 5k/10k if he races then more when in prime shape?

Correct.

I agree with you in part but I think western folks do understand the concept of hard work but the issue is that western folks generally have other options apart from athletics whereas a lot of these runners from developing countries, athletics is basically the only ticket they have to economic prosperity and so they focus on it 100%. Motivation for these folks is super high.

Ghost1 wrote:

I think western folks do understand the concept of hard work but the issue is that western folks generally have other options

Western had priority on this, they even made it a very lucrative field.

Look a the case of Barega, how many people in the west dream to have his social situation of today?

Passant wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

I think western folks do understand the concept of hard work but the issue is that western folks generally have other options

Western had priority on this, they even made it a very lucrative field.

Look a the case of Barega, how many people in the west dream to have his social situation of today?

Barega earnings? Millionaire, no doubt, possibly multi millionaire in assets? $US dollars.

I can go as far to say that most of field of "competition" in the world are corrupt, including field of science and research. African didn't reach this part and it's not the brain that is in failure.

TooMuchRange wrote:

xzyztxyzt wrote:

She COULD choose not to cover such range in the same season, yes. But why SHOULD she do so? That her opponents don't get depressed?

The answer to your question is clearly in what I wrote ("inevitable accusations"). And I said "could" instead of "should" for a reason. Of course it's her choice, and she's fully entitled to say, "Screw the skeptics." As long as you're ready for the ramifications.

And to save the reasonably intelligent folks on this thread some annoyance, if you're about to write that this situation is either black, or white, please stop.

Don't show your full potential that the public will not accuse you of doping - sport pervers.

Maybe "they train harder"? All top athletes train hard - you don't get near the top without it. Many "Western folks" are also professionals trying to make a living from sport just the same as anyone else - or are just motivated to be the best out there. Sadly, the "best" are now completely doped, as we see.

Deanouk wrote:

There was a close up of the first 3's faces as they finished the race, which for me stated everything necessary: - there was not a trace of distress or tiredness on the faces of the first 2, who were pulling away from Muir with every stride. They were hardly breathing in a 3:53 1500m, and were full of energy after. Muir, on the other hand, was straining and grimacing with every stride in the last 50m, looked completely out of breath as she finished, and proceeded to sink to her knees in tiredness.

The contrast was stark. The reason for it was obvious. It is a shame the upcoming Olympics are going to be producing champions left, right and centre, who have clearly benefitted from lack of testing the past 6 months due to Covid. If I were Muir, I wouldn't bother.

Even enough oxygen to scream!

Oh and Muir?

So either you are just an incredibly biased moron who sees anyone who beats British athletes as being a doper, or you are an incredibly biased moron who sees anyone who beats British athletes as being a doper.

And before the usual suspect comes in accusing me of calling Coe or Muir dopers, no, I am just illustrating Deano's ignorance and bias. Which you probably share though.

Armstronglivs wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Lol yall haters crack me up bruh bruh. Maybe they just train harder than Muir. But hey, Western folks don't understand the concept of true hard work. Living too comfortablely.

Maybe "they train harder"? All top athletes train hard - you don't get near the top without it. Many "Western folks" are also professionals trying to make a living from sport just the same as anyone else - or are just motivated to be the best out there. Sadly, the "best" are now completely doped, as we see.

You don't know that. Your opinion is that. Or at least you said 50/50. Now it's all the best ones that are doped.

where is sifan's training schedule found online?

There was a close up of the first 3's faces as they finished the race, which for me stated everything necessary: - there was not a trace of distress or tiredness on the faces of the first 2, who were pulling away from Muir with every stride. They were hardly breathing in a 3:53 1500m, and were full of energy after. Muir, on the other hand, was straining and grimacing with every stride in the last 50m, looked completely out of breath as she finished, and proceeded to sink to her knees in tiredness.

The contrast was stark. The reason for it was obvious. It is a shame the upcoming Olympics are going to be producing champions left, right and centre, who have clearly benefitted from lack of testing the past 6 months due to Covid. If I were Muir, I wouldn't bother.

If you had followed this women's event for the past five years, the only time Muir ever beat Hassan was when Hassan employed bad strategy which used to plague her until 2019. The first time I noticed Hassan was around 2015 because of her strange arm movement (I thought they were broken sometime in her early life) so I looked her up and began following her. She had terrible running strategy; either getting trapped in the crowd at the bottom of the race or taking off too early. To compound it, she didn't have a kick at the end and at the start she always ran in the back. I remember her losing a 5k to Obiri and Ayana after losing track of the lead two while lagging in the crowd. She almost repeated the same in the 10K in Doha by letting Gidey runaway too far ahead. Fortunately, she was able to reel her in. What I noticed about Hassan was her ability to run that final 800m at a high speed, regardless of the length of the race. I figured if she ran from the front at a high speed, the kick of the others won't matter at the bottom of the race. This she did in the 1500m at Doha and ran them into the ground. I lost respect for Muir when she implied in an interview that Hassan was on drugs because her ex-coach Salazar was accused of it Hassan has been performing long before Salazar was her coach. Check her history. This woman worked her butt off to get where she is today and it's scandalous the way people trying to smear her name because their favorite athlete can't measure up. Muir is not in Hassan's league simply because she cannot maintain that high speed Hassan does. Kipyegon's best two PB's were both second places behind Hassan. Muir is in Tsegay's league and that woman has bested her too many times on the big stage. With this current crop of runners Muir is not going to medal in this event if Hassan, Kipyegon, Dibaba or Tsegay are in it. And Stafford from Canada is getting stronger.

Win or lose, Hassan never looks stressed nor tired toward the end of a race. She may grimace down the stretch but she's never "passed out" tired like so many of the others are. In that 1500m in Doha, as grueling as it was with 6 or 7 of the top athletes doing PB, NR's or below 4 minutes, Hassan looked like she could've gone another lap, Tsegay, although tired ran around looking for a flag in which to drape herself. The Ethiopians and Kenyans never look fall-down tired at the end of distance races.

How about Hassan being the only athlete, male or female, to win both a 10K and a 1500m at the same meet? That's not enough?

That's a pretty honest take. Hassan's strength is keeping a high speed for a long time. I noticed she can do that at the bottom of any race, regardless of the distance; from 10k to the 1500m. I don't think Muir can keep that up, neither can Tsegay who beat Muir on several occasions.

Follow Hassan's history and earlier achievements and you'll know she's clean. You just can't wrap your head around the fact that an athlete can master from the 1500m to the 10K, male or female. If she were from your country you'd sing a different tune.

I don't blame you. It's sickening how successful athletes are slandered and maligned. This woman has been performing for years and is leaner than ever. Now that her hard work has paid off, here comes the nay-sayers with wild doping accusations. It's just sickening.

At the bell Kipyegon knew Hassan usually turn up the heat then so she figured she could intimidate Hassan by taking the lead. She took the lead but did not maintain the high speed Hassan keeps which is why Hassan retook the lead and ran her usual race of high speed down the back strait where Muir faded like she did at Doha. The surprise is down the final strait Hassan now has a kick to go with her stamina and as good a kick as Kipyegon has (see her kick to claim the gold from Dibaba previously) she couldn't stay with Hassan.

If Hassan runs from the front again, I'm predicting she will reclaim the 10k record and she will break the 5K. I wonder how Ethiopia Athletics body feels letting a gem like Hassan get away? This woman has been running for years but had lacked strategy and a kick. Now that she has both, more records are going to fall. Hope she stays healthy. This crop of runners have made women distance running events popular again.

Daffy wrote:

I don't blame you. It's sickening how successful athletes are slandered and maligned. This woman has been performing for years and is leaner than ever. Now that her hard work has paid off, here comes the nay-sayers with wild doping accusations. It's just sickening.

I've been saying this for a long time. The doper people claim the tests don't work. Tell that to Asbel Kiprop ( 4 year ban for EPO). It doesn't matter that she's never been caught. Hicham Guerrouj and Paula Radcliffe run their entire careers with no positive tests and are constantly referred to as dirty on this site.

They say she's too energetic after a race. Check out the 2019 Prefontaine 3k. She's completely wrecked after that race. Some people will never be convinced. It's best just to ignore them.