The discovery of Endurance and heart rate data from Ultra runners!

Why don't you give a little info and details on your "breakthrough"??

The Endurance sank in the Weddell Sea, November 1915.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_(1912_ship)

It’s a bit disingenuous for you to say that we use vo2max to measure endurance. No one uses that to measure endurance anymore. People use lactate threshold nowadays. And likewise endurance has a pretty well defined definition. It’s ability at longer distances

bullsh!t

Yes of course.

The breakthrough revols around being able to read health and running information from heart rate data from an easy run. This is only possible because of our new physiological understanding of Endurance which is reflected in the alignment of the energy and speed thresholds.

If you would send us your hert rate data from your last run we would be able to give you infomrations such as:

Maximum heart rate

Maximum speed

Lactate threshold speed

Race predictions over all distances, from 100m to 100km (if the energy systems would indicate that he would be able to go 100km).

VO2Max speed

Critical speed

And various other parameters.

This is only possible when you now the physiological way of defining endurance.

This has been validated by a recent but yet unpublished blind research at the university level. More information will be available soon but right now we are looking for heart rate data during extreme events to solidify our findings even further.

Thank you for your interest.

That ship has sailed but this Endurance is just starting it's voyage.

So how long can they go before they keel over and die?

And do you have to prod them with a stick to keep them awake?

Thanks

Yours in Broscience

Brofessor Prohardt CNS OD

You are absolutely right and I could have been more clearer. If we would like to define Endurance today we would use all three measurements and even a fourth one and measure your ability to utilise fats during slower runs.

The problem is that the only way to accurately find these parameters such as lactate threshold, VO2max, fat burning ability or your capabilities over various distances is through elaborate and physically demanding tests. You need to get blood to measure lactate and put on a mask for VO2Max. And to know your abilities over all distances, well you must race.

What we have discovered is that you can read all these informations by looking at heart rate data from a relatively easy run. This has been validated by research at the university level and will be published soon. This is a true breakthrough because now all you need is your heart rate monitor and a smartwatch and you are ready to go. This allows you to measure your capabilities on a regular basis without to much cost or effort.

We have some very exciting physiological discoveries but right now we are looking for heart rate data from Ultra runners to solidify our findings even further.

Thank you for your input.

hey thanks

thanks for your input. Hopefully you will follow our journey and we can turn that bull into a believer.

We are looking at the heart rate response from a prolonged steady state run.

We are not asking anybody to complete a 50km or a 100km race ;).

If anybody already has their heart rate data from such an amazing endeavour we would love to analyze that run.

Wow, remarkable, so some people can run avery long way in one day? Who knew?

Adrien de Gerlache wrote:

The Endurance sank in the Weddell Sea, November 1915.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_(1912_ship)

They made it back safely though. Incedible story of human suffering and endurance.

But Franklin's men didn’t survive. Their story of endurance in the North West passage is even more incredible. I won't go into details here, it's gruesome.

Brofessor Prohardt wrote:

arnarpeturs wrote:

What we have discovered is that you can read all these informations by looking at heart rate data from a relatively easy run. This has been validated by research at the university level and will be published soon. This is a true breakthrough because now all you need is your heart rate monitor and a smartwatch and you are ready to go. This allows you to measure your capabilities on a regular basis without to much cost or effort.

We have some very exciting physiological discoveries but right now we are looking for heart rate data from Ultra runners to solidify our findings even.

Wow, remarkable, so some people can run avery long way in one day? Who knew?

It really isn't a breakthrough, it's a complete waste of time. No decent runner trains to heart-rate.

The numbers for fat-burning HR have been known for years. It's about <60% of maxHR. Typically it'll be 100-130bpm at most.

If you define endurance as ability to run long then it's purely muscular issue (or maybe neuromuscular).

It's not the heart that limits you in any way. It's your poor legs and your poor brain (Central Governor if you want to get fancy with terminology).

Do you even run?

On a serious note, I would like to say that on this forum you will not find many 50k or 100k road racers because they don't do this here in the US.

50k and 100k efforts should be very consistent. So the heart rate should be the same for the most part through the race.

The scientific definition of Endurance is the alignment of energy thresholds which can now for the first time be represented in the heart rate curve.

We have already validated our findings and can accurately predict race times for people of all capabilities.

Our capabilities are a mixture of many different factors such as muscle and brain power. The amazing thing is that we can accurately predict race times by only using the heart rate data. I know this sounds a bit too much but this is what our results show.

We are now in the process of working with multiple research centers and universities to validate our findings even further and we are looking forward to sharing those results in the near future. Right now we wanted to reach out to the running community to see if our ultra heroes had some interesting heart rate data.

Thank you again for your response.

Heart rate training has been pretty deficient if you don't have other measurements like lactate or oxygen exchange measurements as well.

Many of the best athletes in the world train according to heart rate but only after the have validated that their heart rate is in the right lactate zone. For example this is what Paula Radcliffe used to do.

She would get at test done and measure various lactate zones and then match her heart rate to those zones and then train accordingly for a period until she would do another test to see if her values had changed.

With our new discoveries you don't need to do lactate measurements but instead can find your right training thresholds from heart rate date from an easy run. This represents a true breakthrough since we will now be able to replace elaborate lab tests with simple heart rate data. This has already been validated through research and we are very much looking forward to showing you this in more detail very soon.

Thank you Adrien for your input.

We just wanted to reach out to the running community here on letsrun and see the response. We have some very exciting results and are looking forward to sharing them with you in the near future. We already have runners sending us their data and it's matching great to our discoveries.

It is very interesting what happens during a long sustained effort at the same pace. When looking at the heart rate you will see a slight elevation of the heart rate that is called cardiovascular drift. Now we are able to predict that drift and extract health and fitness information.

Run#1 - 30miles, 8:00m/m pace, 135bpm

Analysis results in an endurance score of 90%

Run#2 - 30miles, 8:00m/m pace, 145bpm

Analysis results in an endurance score of 80%

Both of these runs were in the same week

#1 was on a cool day using marthon"super" shoes

#2 was on a humid day using heavier trainers

So which is the actual state of endurance: 80% or 90% ?