Seb Coe Ran 22.6 in a 200m race which is his PB. He finished last. This was right around the time he ran 1.41. Kessler would be quite a bit slower.
PS My roommate was in the 200 race and beat him easily.
Seb Coe Ran 22.6 in a 200m race which is his PB. He finished last. This was right around the time he ran 1.41. Kessler would be quite a bit slower.
PS My roommate was in the 200 race and beat him easily.
He closed in 25.6 for the final 200 when he ran 8:54 in a 3200. He eased up with 50 to go, was looking around, and looked quite comfortable. was almost walking the last 10m. Easily could have been mid 24. My guess is 22 ish, from blocks. He is certainly fast enough to win any tactical race.
He's definitely got some impressive basic speed. Will be interesting to see which distance he is ultimately most successful in.
It's on Youtube!! wrote:
"he ran a 25.6, so he can run a 22"
The other thing I would say about Coe, he's brought up in pretty much every thread about how fast distance runners would be at sprints. I have no problem believing that he ran a 21.low from blocks even if it's not recorded anywhere.
But using a guy who had the world record for the 800m is a pretty awful reference to determine potential 200m times for guys who:
1. Haven't run sub-1:45
2. Have a faster equivalent 1500m/Mile than 800m
What? These guys haven't been focusing on the 800m? Well, uh, they haven't been focusing on the 200m either.
GreatDane wrote:
Anyone know what Kessler can run a flat out 200m or 400m in? I'm guessing he could probably manage a 22.5/48.5. His closing speed is absolutely world class for the middle distances.
No way he’s running 22.5 lol. Maybe 23.5
It's on Youtube!! wrote:
He closed in 25.6 for the final 200 when he ran 8:54 in a 3200. He eased up with 50 to go, was looking around, and looked quite comfortable. was almost walking the last 10m. Easily could have been mid 24. My guess is 22 ish, from blocks. He is certainly fast enough to win any tactical race.
He is not used to running in blocks. Would be better off with correct starting technique for distance runners. 23 sec flat.
Are you asking how fast he could run this coming Tuesday for 200 meters or how fast he could run if he dropped distance training and only did sprint training for 3 months? If the later, 22.2-22.8
His current 200m time
One of the first things Lydiard used to do with any new runner he was going to coach was to do a basic 200m speed test to determine which distance he felt they could be most successful at. Snell as an example could run 22.5 and Lydiard described that a quite slow for an 800m champion
23.0
49.6
1:47.8
3:34.3
3:51.5y
7:49
8:25y
13:37
Probably 22.xx with a running start though.
All of you saying 24 seconds are insane. The is a world class 1500 who can run a 1:47.xx 800. A 24 200 is a decent but not exceptional time for a middle schooler. You must also think he can’t crack 12 in the 100. This place is painful sometimes.
highhoppingworm wrote:
All of you saying 24 seconds are insane. The is a world class 1500 who can run a 1:47.xx 800. A 24 200 is a decent but not exceptional time for a middle schooler. You must also think he can’t crack 12 in the 100. This place is painful sometimes.
This is exactly what I'm saying. 24.0 at best, which is plenty fast for a 1:48 runner. Ya'll think these guys are sprinters, when in reality they just can sustain close to their top speed for extended amounts of time.
Mo Farah ran 3:28 but also barely cracked 13s (12.98) in a 100m FAT race.
flvmmox wrote:
It's on Youtube!! wrote:
"he ran a 25.6, so he can run a 22"
Most of time the limitation of speed for distance runners is not caused by lack of energy or power, but because of their running form. While Kessler can close in 25.6, at 24.0 he will be hitting the back of his head with his heels.
Same goes for Ingebrigtsen. I suppose he could squeeze out a 23.5 at best.
Interesting...What's your explanation for Seb Coe who could run a 21.8ish 200m, 46.8 400m and also get the 800m world record in 1:41, break 3:30 in the 1500m and run a mid 13 5km?
GreatDane wrote:
Interesting...What's your explanation for Seb Coe who could run a 21.8ish 200m, 46.8 400m and also get the 800m world record in 1:41, break 3:30 in the 1500m and run a mid 13 5km?
A very talented outlier because of his running form. You can see that even going at very fast pace his heels don't rise past his glutes but rather glide to the front in piston-like manner, that's world class and WR setting characteristics in mid-distances.
Kesslers heel rises much higher behind him at lower speeds than Coe. That's a sign of a speed limitation, but also a good sign for a nice 5k in the future, as such running form is more energy saving. He will surely run a better 5k than Coe.
think first wrote:
Closing speed ≠ pure speed.
One can be able to run last lap in 52 and but only manage 49 in a 400m dash.
ALL distance guys are significantly slower over 200m than people tend to think. My guess is that Kessler gets 24.0 at best.
Hocker maybe 23.0.
Another might have 52 closing speed and a 52 400m dash also. Speed endurance is the killer.
So if either of them has 23 200 speed, they will also have 48 400 speed.
think first wrote:
GreatDane wrote:
Interesting...What's your explanation for Seb Coe who could run a 21.8ish 200m, 46.8 400m and also get the 800m world record in 1:41, break 3:30 in the 1500m and run a mid 13 5km?
A very talented outlier because of his running form. You can see that even going at very fast pace his heels don't rise past his glutes but rather glide to the front in piston-like manner, that's world class and WR setting characteristics in mid-distances.
Kesslers heel rises much higher behind him at lower speeds than Coe. That's a sign of a speed limitation, but also a good sign for a nice 5k in the future, as such running form is more energy saving. He will surely run a better 5k than Coe.
The killer question is: what is his max velocity? 10m/second or closer to 9?
We know Coe had exceptional speed endurance at 7-8 m/s but not what his top speed was.
Fair point. The remarkable thing with Coe also was he was anything but a sprinters build - only weighed ~54kg and yet could knock out those kinds of times.
GreatDane wrote:
Fair point. The remarkable thing with Coe also was he was anything but a sprinters build - only weighed ~54kg and yet could knock out those kinds of times.
Form is king and that piston-like motion is trully rare.
Another example of similar stride that comes to mind is that of Jim Ryun. Probably could bust a quick 200m / 400m too.