D3 dude wrote:
Laksk wrote:
Pomona-Pitzer with a 25:17 top 5 average. Decent, but not podium-level
PP’s top 5 was 24:33 average, you’re looking at the open race.
CMS had a solid showing as well on their men’s side with a 24:51 average and a lot of promise on their women’s side with 20:57 average for 6k without their number 1 from Mark Covert.
You're right. Those are two podium times. If the course is fair.
Pomona Pfizer vaccine? Da fuq who is that? If I don’t know them then they ain’t important😘✌️
willyMC wrote:
Whitewater tops WashU?!
Surely WashU wasn’t running all out.
I was at the meet. Wash U was running all out but Whitewater is very legit. Granted, its Whitewaters home course so they were more prepared, but they have a very good top 3. I've been saying all year they should be considered a podium threat
Still won’t be La Crosse.
I mean, was Lacrosse missing anyone from this weekend? Cause they did lose to Olaf.
Speaking of which, Olaf's top 5 was 4 freshmen and a sophomore, bright future.
La Crosse tempoed almost the whole race. So did Gustavus. It seemed like Olaf and Eau Claire were running for real.
The Olaf eligibility is confusing. Many of them ran track last year, so it is based on Covid/NCAA year, not class year. They are better than expected even when a couple of their older runners didn't run well.
mammothdaddy wrote:
word on the street has it the williams was only able to sweep 1-5 and the little 3s this year instead of the 1-8 they did 2 years ago, and their guys were all running like 20 mins for 6k. Looks like their #2 coaches poll is overrated.
Strange. Also, why did Aidan Ryan finish 5th?
mammothdaddy wrote:
word on the street has it the williams was only able to sweep 1-5 and the little 3s this year instead of the 1-8 they did 2 years ago, and their guys were all running like 20 mins for 6k. Looks like their #2 coaches poll is overrated.
Williams was tempoing in jean shorts. Watch out for them to be a threat in November.
At the Paul Short Invite. Alex Phillip of John Carroll was 6TH in the Gold 8K race. 23:39. Beat out more than one or two D1 XC All Americans, I think. Instant title threat? What's that course like?
Legitimate 8k, some hills but generally a pretty fast course (240ish ft elevation gain). I think that’s just because of the competition at Paul Short every year.
KingsCourt wrote:
At the Paul Short Invite. Alex Phillip of John Carroll was 6TH in the Gold 8K race. 23:39. Beat out more than one or two D1 XC All Americans, I think. Instant title threat? What's that course like?
Yes, instant title threat. Even if you add 20 seconds to his time to be safe, it's still 23:59.
From track Phillips is the best returner in the 10k and second fastest in the 5k. Possibly also the top finisher from 2019 nationals of kids still in college (he was 15th). I think he was a title threat long before today.
widlansky and Aidan Ryan both finished ahead of him and r still in college racing
Looks like MIT destroyed a pretty solid field at Lousville today, could this be the first time in forever New England has two teams on the podium at natties?
Some notable D3 results from this weekend with their previous ranking
Paul Short-
Gold race
15. John Carrol (#6)
28. Carnegie Mellon (#15)
31. Haverford (#20)
Brown race
2. RPI (ARV)
3. Amherst (NR)
6. Conn College (#25)
Louisville-
1. MIT (#5)
2. CMS (#9)
3. Emory (#16)
4. La Crosse (#14)
5. North Central (#6)
6. Johns Hopkins (#11)
7. Lynchburg (#23)
8. Calvin (#19)
9. Santa Cruz (#24)
10. DePauw (ARV)
Blugold Invitational-
1. Whitewater (#8)
2. Carleton (NR)
3. Oshkosh (#31)
4. St. Olaf (#12)
5. Eau Claire (#18)
Dan Huston-
1. Wartburg (#1)
2. WashU (#10)
Brissman/Lundeen Invitational-
1. UChicago (#13)
2. Loras (#21)
Geneseo XC Invitational-
1. Geneseo (#4)
2. Middlebury (#27)
3. Otterbein (#17)
4. Case Western (ARV)
Maine State Meet-
1. Bates (#22)
2. Colby (#24)
No doubt that MIT raced well, but I don’t think they’re as good as today’s results make it seem. CMS definitely underperformed today, they all got out way too hard then shat the bed in the second half, except for Christensen. Basically a repeat of their 2019 natties performance where they all died in the last 2k. They’re definitely much better than Emory on a day where they race up to their potential, but they barely scraped by today.
More like Fartburg wrote:
No doubt that MIT raced well, but I don’t think they’re as good as today’s results make it seem. CMS definitely underperformed today, they all got out way too hard then shat the bed in the second half, except for Christensen. Basically a repeat of their 2019 natties performance where they all died in the last 2k. They’re definitely much better than Emory on a day where they race up to their potential, but they barely scraped by today.
What makes you say MIT isn't as good as they seem? I think their time today would have won 2019 nationals by a landslide (same venue).
Kind of surprised by Johns Hopkins' performance. I thought they'd be clear favorites to win Mid Atlantic. Not sure if something happened that I don’t know about, but their result today isn’t incredibly impressive in my opinion.
yoyoyo1 wrote:
More like Fartburg wrote:
No doubt that MIT raced well, but I don’t think they’re as good as today’s results make it seem. CMS definitely underperformed today, they all got out way too hard then shat the bed in the second half, except for Christensen. Basically a repeat of their 2019 natties performance where they all died in the last 2k. They’re definitely much better than Emory on a day where they race up to their potential, but they barely scraped by today.
What makes you say MIT isn't as good as they seem? I think their time today would have won 2019 nationals by a landslide (same venue).
Might be poo-pooing the Engineers a little too much, but what I’m saying is the competition at the meet wasn’t really peak national caliber. It appears that MIT blew everyone out of the water and yeah MIT is clearly the best team who raced, but their only competition was a handful of mid-upper tier teams who’ll probably finish between 6-16th at nationals, so I’m wary about extrapolating their performance today to a race against the best of the best. I’d be very surprised if anyone who raced there today besides MIT podiums in November.
And to your point about them winning 2019 in a landslide, yes they would have won by about ~20 points if you take their times today and drop them into the results from 2019, but anyone who was there knows how crappy the conditions were in 2019. I wasn’t at prenats but I saw a forecast of mid 70s, cloudy, but not rainy. I can’t imagine they were as bad today so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Anybody there know how good the conditions were today?
More like Fartburg wrote:
yoyoyo1 wrote:
What makes you say MIT isn't as good as they seem? I think their time today would have won 2019 nationals by a landslide (same venue).
Might be poo-pooing the Engineers a little too much, but what I’m saying is the competition at the meet wasn’t really peak national caliber. It appears that MIT blew everyone out of the water and yeah MIT is clearly the best team who raced, but their only competition was a handful of mid-upper tier teams who’ll probably finish between 6-16th at nationals, so I’m wary about extrapolating their performance today to a race against the best of the best. I’d be very surprised if anyone who raced there today besides MIT podiums in November.
And to your point about them winning 2019 in a landslide, yes they would have won by about ~20 points if you take their times today and drop them into the results from 2019, but anyone who was there knows how crappy the conditions were in 2019. I wasn’t at prenats but I saw a forecast of mid 70s, cloudy, but not rainy. I can’t imagine they were as bad today so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Anybody there know how good the conditions were today?
I agree MIT results today doesn't establish them as favorites or anything, but they are certainly a podium threat after today's performance which is all I (who first posted about their result) claimed. Also yeah conditions at 2019 nationals were not conducive to running fast so comparing times is not helpful.