Sifan MF Hassan - Runs 29:06.82 10,000 WR!

A big question for me is Florence DL. It's only 4 days away and Hassan is up against Kipyegon, Muir, GDS, and Hailu.

Tbh if she runs something in the 3:55 range or beats a fresh Kipyegon then that's really hard for me to believe. A WR 10000m *should* be exhausting. 95% of athletes wouldn't even think of attempting a 1500 so quickly. If she does well that's absolutely ridiculous fitness and recovery.

Hope she got a $100,000 performance bonus from Nike. My brother had six figure performance clauses in his contract that he’d never achieve but agent put them in the contract nonetheless. Great run.

But also wavelight. It's a gamechanger for these WR attempts I'm telling you. Gidey got slapped in Monaco last year, but found 20 seconds with the wavelight. I know the spikes get the headlines, and they definitely help, but I think people are sleeping on how much the lights also help/arguably are more unfair.

Hellen Obiri has already commented on this. Anyone can get a pair of spikes at any meet, but if Hermens or Pineda strong arms a meet director of a wavelight meet to have just Hassan, or just Gidey, or just Cheptegei etc, shutting other athletes out of a WR attempt, there's not much other athletes can do except have their agent make their own meet. Then you have world class athletes racing lights with no competition instead of world class athletes racing each other/pushing the competition.

Just initial reactions

Dope + spring-loaded shoes + cheatlights = 29 minute 10ks. Unreal.

birdbeard wrote:

Hard not to be skeptical of all these Hassan performances having watched her performances around 3-4 years ago, but I try not to rob myself of the enjoyment of sport by thinking too much about doping.

She is definitely the greatest female distance runner of all time at this point. Greatest 1500 performance of all time, amazing WRs a 1 hour, 10,000, etc. Dang impressive.

Consider one other possibility: She lost a lot of weight after joining Salazar. She looks so lean now compared to then. Btw, she was running very fast even before Salazar, just not winning.

This was in the recap, but this is ridiculous

1k: 2:56.12

2k: 2:56.07 (5:52.19)

3k: 2:55.72 (8:47.91)

4k: 2:55.42 (11:43.33)

5k: 2:55.44 (14:38.75)

6k: 2:55.69 (17:34.44)

7k: 2:55.93 (20:30.37)

8k: 2:55.48 (23:25.85)

9k: 2:55.20 (26:21.05)

10k: 2:45.77 (29:06.82)

This is exactly the same consistency of split we saw from from Cheptegei over 37.5 laps of both his 5 and 10k records.

There are clearly 2 factors (legal ones we know of ^^) helping these athletes - shoes and wavelight - the biggest by far is wavelight. The benefit of being able to run this evenly and not having to devote any mental energy to it (because you just lock onto a light and just run) may never be able to be quantified, but absolutely is huge. All 4 distance WRs destroyed where the km splits for 95% of the race (the final km doesn't matter because at that point you just run 2.5 laps as hard as you can to see how ultimately fast you can go) are within 1 second of each other - that is now enough of a sample set to point to even paced running really being huge and shoes have nothing to do with that. Looking at those split she basically ran 22.5 laps probably with a 0.5 second variation at most because her kilometer splits from start to 9km do not vary by more than 1.0 seconds (max is 0.94)

What would be interesting now is to get Jeptegei/Hassan to go after one of the records again without wavelight. Give them a pacemaker that can go 30% of the race and see what happens when they have to manage the pace judgement themselves. You can put any shoes on them at this point, they would not even be close to what they are doing now with the benefit of WL

another perspective wrote:

But also wavelight. It's a gamechanger for these WR attempts I'm telling you. Gidey got slapped in Monaco last year, but found 20 seconds with the wavelight. I know the spikes get the headlines, and they definitely help, but I think people are sleeping on how much the lights also help/arguably are more unfair.

Hellen Obiri has already commented on thism Anyone can get a pair of spikes at any meet, but if Hermens or Pineda strong arms a meet director of a wavelight meet to have just Hassan, or just Gidey, or just Cheptegei etc, shutting other athletes out of a WR attempt, there's not much other athletes can do except have their agent make their own meet. Then you have world class athletes racing lights with no competition instead of world class athletes racing each other/pushing the competition.

Just initial reactions

100% agree with all of this

George213 wrote:

To be the GOAT, she needs an Olympic Gold though, and I'm saying this as a fan of her.

Same. Huge fan of hers but I wouldn't put her on par with Tirunesh Dibaba just yet.

DOPER! No way is she clean. Just a few short years ago, before Salazar she was a 4th/5th place finisher.

My guess is that she will end up being faster than Zatopek before her career is over

another perspective wrote:

But also wavelight. It's a gamechanger for these WR attempts I'm telling you. Gidey got slapped in Monaco last year, but found 20 seconds with the wavelight. I know the spikes get the headlines, and they definitely help, but I think people are sleeping on how much the lights also help/arguably are more unfair.

Hellen Obiri has already commented on this. Anyone can get a pair of spikes at any meet, but if Hermens or Pineda strong arms a meet director of a wavelight meet to have just Hassan, or just Gidey, or just Cheptegei etc, shutting other athletes out of a WR attempt, there's not much other athletes can do except have their agent make their own meet. Then you have world class athletes racing lights with no competition instead of world class athletes racing each other/pushing the competition.

Just initial reactions

It's not that hard to get padcing light. I will pay for the pacing lights for any WR attempt. I'll call upo the guy at Light Speed Pacing lights. They had them at both of the indoor meets we broadcast this winter and they were only set up 30 minutes before the race started.

bladerunner wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

Hard not to be skeptical of all these Hassan performances having watched her performances around 3-4 years ago, but I try not to rob myself of the enjoyment of sport by thinking too much about doping.

She is definitely the greatest female distance runner of all time at this point. Greatest 1500 performance of all time, amazing WRs a 1 hour, 10,000, etc. Dang impressive.

Consider one other possibility: She lost a lot of weight after joining Salazar. She looks so lean now compared to then. Btw, she was running very fast even before Salazar, just not winning.

exactly--on the podium for the 1500m at Worlds in 2015--joined Salazar the next year and had a real breaththrough in 2018....the program worked lol!

I don't know of anyone if they are clean. But Hassan was a 3:56 runner before she came to Salazar and probably overall had a slower, longer and more consistent trajectory to her current PBs than Genzebe, Ayana, Chepkoech, Kipyegon, Tsegay, Gidey, Klosterhalfen, Houlihan, Schweizer, Debues Stafford...

And I agree that for the 5k/10k records of the last years both the shoes and especially the lights have had a big impact.

give me those lights and I'll finally run a 40 minute 10k!

bladerunner wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

Hard not to be skeptical of all these Hassan performances having watched her performances around 3-4 years ago, but I try not to rob myself of the enjoyment of sport by thinking too much about doping.

She is definitely the greatest female distance runner of all time at this point. Greatest 1500 performance of all time, amazing WRs a 1 hour, 10,000, etc. Dang impressive.

Consider one other possibility: She lost a lot of weight after joining Salazar. She looks so lean now compared to then. Btw, she was running very fast even before Salazar, just not winning.

For sure. Good points, and it's just hard to know -- definitely went from like, Jenny Simpson-ish level talent to otherwordly over the last 3-5 years. She was always very good.

1. Sifan HASSAN 01 JAN 1993 NED 29:06.82 WR*

2. Irine Jepchumba KIMAIS 10 OCT 1998 KEN 30:37.24

3. Daisy CHEROTICH 30 JUN 1997 KEN 30:37.31

4. Rose DAVIES 21 DEC 1999 AUS 30:54.89

5. Joyce Chepkemoi TELE 03 MAY 1995 KEN 30:59.01

6. Gloriah KITE 10 JAN 1998 KEN 31:13.04

7. Mercyline CHELANGAT 17 DEC 1997 UGA 31:15.05

8. Dominique SCOTT 24 JUN 1992 RSA 31:19.89

9. Brillian Jepkorir KIPKOECH 01 MAR 1995 KEN 31:46.17

10. Genevieve GREGSON 04 AUG 1989 AUS 32:11.89

11. Camille BUSCOMB 11 JUL 1990 NZL 32:12.39

12. Mekdes WOLDU 20 OCT 1992 ERI 32:44.42

13. Isobel BATT-DOYLE 14 SEP 1995 AUS 32:52.25

Diane VAN ES 22 MAR 1999 NED DNF

Jackline Chepwogen ROTICH 03 JUL 2000 KEN DNF

Andrea SECCAFIEN 27 AUG 1990 CAN DNF

Sarah LAHTI 18 FEB 1995 SWE DNF

huge factor-that 5000m WR by Gidey last year really made it evident how big an aid this is--more-so in the 10000 where a runner will be "solo" for 7000-8000m with minimal rabbiting--when you split through 5000m in 14:38 hard to get a female rabbit to go 5000m who would have to legit race that anyway!

Sifan HASSAN

COUNTRY

Netherlands

DATE OF BIRTH

01 JAN 1993

Outdoor

800 Metres

2021 2:01.54 Icahn Stadium (Fordham), New York, NY (USA) 21 MAY 2021

2018 1:59.35 Stade Charléty, Paris (FRA) 30 JUN 2018

2017 1:56.81 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017

2016 2:00.27 Estádio Olímpico, Rio de Janeiro (BRA) 17 AUG 2016

2015 1:58.50 National Stadium, Beijing (CHN) 27 AUG 2015

2014 1:59.95 Mestský Stadion, Ostrava (CZE) 17 JUN 2014

2013 2:00.86 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 13 JUL 2013

Outdoor

1000 Metres

Performance Place Date

2015 2:34.68 Blankers-Koen Stadion, Hengelo (NED) 24 MAY 2015

2013 2:41.43 Lisse (NED) 11 MAY 2013

2012 2:44.44 Pliezhausen (GER) 06 MAY 2012

Outdoor

1500 Metres

Performance Place Date

2019 3:51.95 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 05 OCT 2019

2018 3:57.41 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 22 JUL 2018

2017 3:56.14 Blankers-Koen Stadion, Hengelo (NED) 11 JUN 2017

2016 3:57.13 Paris (FRA) 27 AUG 2016

2015 3:56.05 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015

2014 3:57.00 Paris (FRA) 05 JUL 2014

2013 4:03.73 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 04 JUL 2013

2012 4:08.24 Bottrop (GER) 06 JUL 2012

Outdoor

One Mile

Performance Place Date

2019 4:12.33 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 12 JUL 2019

2018 4:14.71 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 22 JUL 2018

2016 4:25.50 Rovereto (ITA) 06 SEP 2016

2015 4:18.20 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 11 SEP 2015

2012 4:29.85 Kessel-Lo (BEL) 18 AUG 2012

Outdoor

3000 Metres

Performance Place Date

2019 8:18.49 Cobb Track and Angell Field - Stanford University, Palo Alto, CA (USA) 30 JUN 2019

2018 8:27.50 Ostrava (CZE) 08 SEP 2018

2017 8:28.90 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 20 AUG 2017

2014 8:29.38 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 05 SEP 2014

2013 8:32.53 Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE) 22 AUG 2013

2012 9:08.10 Haldensleben (GER) 15 JUL 2012

Outdoor

5000 Metres

Performance Place Date

2021 14:35.34 Irvine, CA (USA) 15 MAY 2021

2020 14:37.85 Mestský Stadion, Ostrava (CZE) 08 SEP 2020

2019 14:22.12 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 21 JUL 2019

2018 14:22.34 Complexe Sportif Prince Moulay Abdellah, Rabat (MAR) 13 JUL 2018

2017 14:41.24 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 26 MAY 2017

2014 14:59.23 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 04 MAY 2014

Outdoor

5 Kilometres

Performance Place Date

2019 14:44 Monaco (MON) 17 FEB 2019

2013 15:47 Korschenbroich (GER) 21 APR 2013

Outdoor

10,000 Metres

Performance Place Date

2021 29:06.82 Blankers-Koen Stadion, Hengelo (NED) 06 JUN 2021

2020 29:36.67 Blankers-Koen Stadion, Hengelo (NED) 10 OCT 2020

2019 30:17.62 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 28 SEP 2019

Outdoor

10 Kilometres

Performance Place Date

2012 34:28 Brunssum (NED) 01 APR 2012

Outdoor

15 Kilometres

Performance Place Date

2011 53:57 Heerenberg (NED) 04 DEC 2011

Outdoor

One Hour

Performance Place Date

2020 18930 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 04 SEP 2020

Outdoor

Half Marathon

Performance Place Date

2019 1:05:45 Berlin (GER) 07 APR 2019

2018 1:05:15 København (DEN) 16 SEP 2018

2011 1:17:10 Eindhoven (NED) 09 OCT 2011

Indoor

800 Metres

Performance Place Date

2015/16 2:02.62 Apeldoorn (NED) 28 FEB 2016

2013/14 2:04.16 Topsporthal Vlaanderen, Gent (BEL) 09 FEB 2014

Indoor

1500 Metres

Performance Place Date

2017/18 4:05.46 Birmingham (GBR) 02 MAR 2018

2016/17 4:03.05 New York, NY (USA) 11 FEB 2017

2015/16 4:01.40 Emirates Arena, Glasgow (GBR) 20 FEB 2016

2014/15 4:00.46 Globe Arena, Stockholm (SWE) 19 FEB 2015

2013/14 4:05.34 National Indoor Arena, Birmingham (GBR) 15 FEB 2014

Indoor

One Mile

Performance Place Date

2016/17 4:19.89 New York, NY (USA) 11 FEB 2017

Indoor

3000 Metres

Performance Place Date

2020/21 8:33.62 Arena Stade Couvert, Liévin (FRA) 09 FEB 2021

2017/18 8:45.68 Birmingham (GBR) 01 MAR 2018

2016/17 8:30.76 BarclayCard, Birmingham (GBR) 18 FEB 2017

2013/14 8:45.32 Europahalle, Karlsruhe (GER) 01 FEB 2014

She has a 1:56.81/800 from 2017, more than enough speed for sub. 14:00/29:00. She can do it.

Someone needs to make a graph with calendar year on the X-axis and number of distance running records broken on the Y-axis. I'm too lazy to make this.