Ridiculous DQ? I just got DQd after running 4:08 at mile sectional

Unnecessary DQ. Your coach and parents should continue to appeal this until the day of the state meet.

The OP ran 8:55 and 1:53 60 minutes apart to move on in those events today.

holterskolter2 wrote:

Al Sleet wrote:

You can continue to post the same stupid chit over and over but it doesn't make you appear any less stupid.

What did he write that was stupid? I didn't see anything stupid about what he wrote. He noted that the kid intentionally tried to impede the other runner. He believes this should be a dq, and you believe it shouldn't be a dq. Really it comes down to your interpretation of "flagrant." The kid made an attempt to impede the other runner. One of you think it was flagrant, the other doesn't.

"He"? LOL! Sure.

What you wrote was stupid. Especially the intentionally part. That makes it even more stupid. I was was giving you too much credit.

It sounds like changing the word "ridiculous" to" questionable" or "debatable" is more appropriate. I understand feeling defensive, but you can still pick your words better.

Allowing the first runner off the curve to block the second is a ridiculous rule to begin with. But that's our sport I guess. :-(

The rule should be the other way around IMHO. The first runner off the curve slash over the 100 meters to go line should always have to move into line two as to invite the man behind him to a mano-a-mano home stretch duel instead of blocking him. Much better rule for the fans on the stands.

I cannot believe all the opinions regarding running in someone else’s path— For hell’s sake this is a track race. The question is: was the runner that was losing tripped up? Had to cut his stride? Etc? Because if simply running in the path of another runner is a DQ only the last place runner in the race would be left to advance to the State meet. Running in someone’s path alone cannot possibly be a DQ.

I can’t see if contact was made- but if not- this is simply not a DQ unless there is a different camera shot showing the kid cutting his stride. Full Stop.

Appeal every hour until the state meet. I watched 10-12 MD races today and specifically watched this- almost EVERY runner that was leading after last turn was in lane 2 at the finish line. 2 of the kids finished on the 1-2 line, everyone else was in lane 2 (most had been passed) It’s a 100% natural to drift and overwhelmingly common in HS. The inside rail almost Always opens up in a HS race- and often on the DL- watch and learn.

He clearly moved to block the other runner and the other runner was forced to alter his path, slowing down in the process.

It’s wrong to say that since other people do it, this kid should have been able to do it. It’s tough, but the kid was at a meet with a judge who is a stickler for the rules. Now he has to live with the consequences.

But others have said he absolutely killed it in the 2 mile and the 800 so he has a chance to shine at state and use this for motivation.

No use in appealing a rule that was clearly broken and wasting everyone’s time.

It sucks you got DQ’d but you should be proud and happy that you absolutely killed the 3200 in 8:55 and also the 800 in 1:53. I’m assuming you are going for the 3200, good luck in groups and Mocs.

I agree with Rojo. He didn't win. All good in the hood.

I don’t see the other runner slow down. It’s just simply not a foul to block another runner and make them run around you. If it were- any runner that was boxed-in would file a complaint. Any runner that had to go around someone would file a complaint.

I’ve coached track for 20+ years and have never once seen a runner DQd when there was not contact and no change of stride to the runner behind. The leader is 20 inches wide on an 8 lane track- if the kid behind wants to pass I’m sure he can find room (as he did).

Give me your address and I can send you some tissues for your salty tears, lil’ whiny baby.

Both very good runners. No DQ needed. Common practice for a lead runner to swing wide off the last turn to gain running room and avoid being passed and pinned on the rail. The guy finished second which makes a DQ over reaching by officials.

TomPettyLives wrote:

I don’t see the other runner slow down. It’s just simply not a foul to block another runner and make them run around you. If it were- any runner that was boxed-in would file a complaint. Any runner that had to go around someone would file a complaint.

I’ve coached track for 20+ years and have never once seen a runner DQd when there was not contact and no change of stride to the runner behind. The leader is 20 inches wide on an 8 lane track- if the kid behind wants to pass I’m sure he can find room (as he did).

You are comparing apples to oranges. The whole notion that if you run in front of someone then everyone should be DQ is nonsensical.

Look at the facts of this race and the rule book. Runner A purposely tried to block and slow down Runner B. New Jersey says that is no good. Therefore there is a DQ.

Whether or not that should be a rule is a different argument. But I personally think you are a tool if you move to cut someone off like that.

It’s been stated earlier in this thread that it is poor logic to argue that since the runner who was leading ended up in second there should be no DQ. You cannot just enforce rules when the outcome falls a certain way.

Unless you want to start implementing American football type Ike’s where the affected party can decline or accept a penalty but that’s a stupid system in the first place.

Guarantee you will see this exact thing happen in multiple events at the upcoming trials and in the Olympics and there will not be a single DQ.

fastpep828 wrote:

So no state 1600 for me after a ridiculous DQ... thoughts ? No appeal even allowed unfortunately

-dq

Thoughts are - be a better person. You know what you were doing here and you got slapped down for it. Hopefully you will learn from it and not try to get away with these sorts of cheap racing tactics in the future.

To everyone commenting who has actually raced in high school and college - come on - we know that there are some runners who you enjoy racing with because they are stand up guys and others who always do cheap shlt. Don’t be that guy. Be the guy who wins with talent and who other runners respect.

Tribe wrote:

Guarantee you will see this exact thing happen in multiple events at the upcoming trials and in the Olympics and there will not be a single DQ.

So?

I agree, ridiculous DQ. No contact. Winner sets record in sectional race, despite finishing in lane 3. For engaging in normal competitive tactics, the second place runner is prevented from advancing to the state finals in his senior year? The worst part about the decision is that it is discretionary. The official had to decide that it was appropriate to prevent an athlete from advancing even though he plainly drove the winner to set a record in the event.

Outrage

I mean i get why they did DQ you but I’d agree it’s obnoxious, you were probably tired and drifting, not trying to cut him off