Ridiculous DQ? I just got DQd after running 4:08 at mile sectional

Gracefully pass? He made the other kid run out several lanes. It’s against the rules and also a pretty poor move.

Exactly.

There are reasons why similar rules are in place in bike racing and horse racing. It’s dangerous and poor form to cut someone off who is moving to pas you. This isn’t like throwing in a surge to prevent a pass, you are actively maneuvering your body to block someone.

Update: He just ran around 1:53 and 8:55(3200m). A big future for this one!

2 THE GILLS!!! wrote:

smarter than Astro wrote:

Thanks.

It did not change the other runner's rhythm so no DQ. That is how I honestly see it after watching several times.

He made the kid runner farther than necessary to beat him. Just because the other kid was better doesn't mean the slower kid should get away with breaking the rules.

You can continue to post the same stupid chit over and over but it doesn't make you appear any less stupid.

First thing, that was a great race. You led all the way until the last meters, and broke J.J. Clark's sectional record. A 4:08 in a sectional race, with no drafting, indicates that you can run 4:04 or better postseason. Then you turn around and run a sectionals' record of 8:56, beating Joe Rosa's sectionals record the next day. That's a great season and you can definitely train a bit harder this summer on pure hate for a 50-50 dq call where you clearly did wrong, finishing in lane 3! but did not make contact and did not change the outcome in a race where you finished second. Had you won the race, the dq would have been warranted, so just be sure not to make the edging out go no further than the lane you're starting in, which is basically the margin of tolerated illegality in national and world championship races.

Al Sleet wrote:

That absolutely should not be a DQ.

I absolutely agree.

I wouldn’t DQ that.

He came wide out off the turn but barely drifted after that.

And he obviously didn’t prevent the runner from passing him.

I’ve been run into lane 4 before and leaned into the other runner’s back at the line.

This was nothing like that.

Bad officiating.

Yawn^2 wrote:

It’s very simple, do not intentionally cross the other runners pass.

You earlier said "Rules say he cannot intentionally run across another’s path. He ran across another’s path. Case closed." Here you say "It’s very simple, do not intentionally cross the other runners path."

My point, which is just backing up Smarter than astros point, is that you are failing to take the other runner into consideration. If the other runner is unaffected, it is not a foul. It is a foul if your running across another's path "unfairly changes the course or natural running rhythm of a competitor."

So you need to say he crossed another runners path and caused that runner to need to veer into another lane.

You must not have watched the video where the other runner has to move across almost 2 lanes worth of space. Probably cost him a second off his time with the energy he expended having to go so far around.

What do you not get about maintaining a consistent path of travel?

Think of it like a right triangle with the shortest leg being the finish line. Instead of allowing the other runner to run along the other leg, he was forced to run the path of the hypotenuse. Extra distance and extra time.

Of course the other runner must run a bit further to pass the person in first, but that does not give the runner in first the right to move out to lane 8 with no consequences

I have run in track meets since 1970 (jr high, high school, college, open, masters). I was taught from a young age that you pick your line as you enter the home stretch and run for the tape. The shortest distance is a straight line. In fact, there are straight lines conveniently painted on the track to help those of us who tend to wobble and veer. When you enter the home straight on the rail and veer outward in order to obstruct an oncoming runner, that is unsportsmanlike and merits a penalty.

If you want to change the rules, you might look at flat track roller derby. That sport is all about weaving and obstructing athletes who try to pass you.

Unfortunately that is a clear DQable. When you drifted right the guy behind can be seen to put on the brakes a little and change trajectory to be able to pass. But I also agree with others that because you crossed in 2nd and there was nobody else in contention, they should've just let it go.

Yawn^2 wrote:

You must not have watched the video where the other runner has to move across almost 2 lanes worth of space. Probably cost him a second off his time with the energy he expended having to go so far around.

What do you not get about maintaining a consistent path of travel?

That hypotenuse is longer by a matter of inches. If he ran two feet farther it would take an additional 1/10th of a second at 4:08 pace.

You’ve run in track meets since 1970.

How many times have you personally seen a DQ called for this?

I ran for 10 years between high school, college and post college.

I’ve never seen it called at a meet I’ve been to.

But I have seen it happen many times, someone running wide.

I do think it should be called if someone runs another wide and barely beats them.

I think it’s more then a couple of inches.

Regardless, I didn’t realize that there was a clause in the rules that said “unless the second runner is only inconvenienced by a few inches.”

Let’s even assume you are right though, 1/10th of a second can be the difference between winning a race and losing, between qualifying or not, or between setting a record/not setting a record.

The margin does not matter. He impeded the other runner. End of story.

If he would have lost then I get it maybe you should apply the rule. But what’s the point here? To get one of the fastest kicked out because you think you’re the best official? Think about the spirit of the rule. You want to make sure the best one in this case won and they did.

I agree it was petty and this scenario plays out many times each year.

I am only arguing that the DQ is within the guidelines because some people here don’t think it is.

You kindly opened up lane one for the other dude, and you got DQed? That's a bad call.

It's often said here, that if you are patient, the inside lane will open up. That happened, but the other guy chose to pass on the right instead of left.

There are a lot of things that can be DQs that they don’t enforce. It my area you aren’t allowed electronics in the infield (everyone is on their phone) and no gps watches (never a DQ) don’t dare step on a lane line (happens all the time without DQ) people get accidentally tripped all the time (no DQ) and I can go on and on. Yes it’s a DQ by the rules but get over it and let the kids run. It didn’t hurt anyone and didn’t cost anyone a place.