aztec the moronic wrote:
WTF is wrong with you? You are the bigoted one to imply that only girls would like songs sung by girls. That's sexist.
Does that mean this kid should have his genitalia amputated? Should he be pumped full of female hormones?
Should any young boy that likes Taylor Swift music be immediately taken to the doctor to be castrated? Should any girl who listens to Justin Bieber be given enough testosterone that she'll grow a full beard?
This is a strawman
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Precious Roy wrote:
Free_the_thigh wrote:
Also I seriously doubt any kid could actually come to the conclusion they are “trans” at the age of 11.
Parents are pushing that this 100%.
You obviously do not have children. Kids are who they are and there is not a damn thing parents can do to stop them. A kid in my son's class in the 2nd grade was clearly non-gender conforming. He loved singing songs by female pop stars and would roll his shirt up into a halter top when playing outside. His parents were keenly aware of this and tried everything they could to get him to play sports and do more "boy" things. But it always went nowhere and was clearly a source of conflict between this kid and his parents.
These trans ban laws having nothing to do with protecting girls. Just look who is advocating these laws. Are they pro-choice feminists? No. They are right wing evangelicals who are just taking another shot at the culture wars after losing so badly trying to song to stop same sex marriage.
Not to mention that at my kid's school, some of the fastest 11 year olds are the girls. Maybe it becomes an issue later in life, but at 11, is there even really a need to have separate boys and girls XC teams?
And I also observed a young boy in about the 2nd grade who was clearly gender non-conforming. Liked to flounce around with feather boas and stuff like that. No push from anyone at all -- that's just how he was. I haven't seen him in a few years (his family changed schools) but I wouldn't at all be surprised if he turns out LGBT.
Free_the_thigh wrote:
Also I seriously doubt any kid could actually come to the conclusion they are “trans” at the age of 11.
Parents are pushing that this 100%.
What kind of parents want their kid to be mentally and physically abused by bullies?
Mack Beggs was raised by Southern Baptist, hardcore conservative Republican grandparents. His grandmother was a 25 yr veteran of the police department who is proud of owning multiple guns. She talks about how she misses her "granddaughter" by looking at Mack's childhood photos. And yet she says there is no way she would not have let Mack transition because he would have attempted suicide otherwise.
There are many stories like this.
“It was like a camp four-year-old running around … everything about her was just really feminine,” Evie’s mum Meagan added. “So my husband and I at the time sat there and went, we need to teach this kid how to be a boy.”
(An interview video at the end of the article.)
Another conservative father who is an Air Force veteran.
To the post above, you think there are tons of middle school boys listening to Jutin Bieber? He's the epitomy of masculinity to you?
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
aztec the moronic wrote:
WTF is wrong with you? You are the bigoted one to imply that only girls would like songs sung by girls. That's sexist.
Does that mean this kid should have his genitalia amputated? Should he be pumped full of female hormones?
Should any young boy that likes Taylor Swift music be immediately taken to the doctor to be castrated? Should any girl who listens to Justin Bieber be given enough testosterone that she'll grow a full beard?
Where in the article does the mother say she want her 11-year old to have her genitalia amputated or to stuff her full of hormones?
Do you know what "trans" means?
It's 2021...people need to live and let live.
Your examples are dumb, Leslie Stahl just did a huge segment on transgender people who immediately regretted their decision.
RunRagged wrote:I have grown sons who as little boys loved clomping around in my high heels, trying on my clothes, cooking with their dad, playing with dolls as much as cars & trucks, and who amongst all the weird stuff they liked to wear as kids included tutus & plastic tiaras along with Spiderman masks & firefighter costumes. Today, my sons are bog standard adults with a range of interests.
Have your sons ever told you they would rather go to heaven as girls than living on earth as boys?
Have you ever seen the New York Dolls?
Precious Roy wrote:
Free_the_thigh wrote:
Also I seriously doubt any kid could actually come to the conclusion they are “trans” at the age of 11.
Parents are pushing that this 100%.
You obviously do not have children. Kids are who they are and there is not a damn thing parents can do to stop them. A kid in my son's class in the 2nd grade was clearly non-gender conforming. He loved singing songs by female pop stars and would roll his shirt up into a halter top when playing outside. His parents were keenly aware of this and tried everything they could to get him to play sports and do more "boy" things. But it always went nowhere and was clearly a source of conflict between this kid and his parents.
These trans ban laws having nothing to do with protecting girls. Just look who is advocating these laws. Are they pro-choice feminists? No. They are right wing evangelicals who are just taking another shot at the culture wars after losing so badly trying to song to stop same sex marriage.
Signing sons, being silly and not liking sports makes one trans?
Ya definitely not gay or just a boy who likes stereotypical girl things, but most be trans because he *checks notes* likes to sign songs
Observer of things wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
You obviously do not have children. Kids are who they are and there is not a damn thing parents can do to stop them. A kid in my son's class in the 2nd grade was clearly non-gender conforming. He loved singing songs by female pop stars and would roll his shirt up into a halter top when playing outside. His parents were keenly aware of this and tried everything they could to get him to play sports and do more "boy" things. But it always went nowhere and was clearly a source of conflict between this kid and his parents.
These trans ban laws having nothing to do with protecting girls. Just look who is advocating these laws. Are they pro-choice feminists? No. They are right wing evangelicals who are just taking another shot at the culture wars after losing so badly trying to song to stop same sex marriage.
Not to mention that at my kid's school, some of the fastest 11 year olds are the girls. Maybe it becomes an issue later in life, but at 11, is there even really a need to have separate boys and girls XC teams?
And I also observed a young boy in about the 2nd grade who was clearly gender non-conforming. Liked to flounce around with feather boas and stuff like that. No push from anyone at all -- that's just how he was. I haven't seen him in a few years (his family changed schools) but I wouldn't at all be surprised if he turns out LGBT.
Liking feather boas does not make you trans.
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Precious Roy wrote:
Free_the_thigh wrote:
Also I seriously doubt any kid could actually come to the conclusion they are “trans” at the age of 11.
Parents are pushing that this 100%.
You obviously do not have children. Kids are who they are and there is not a damn thing parents can do to stop them. A kid in my son's class in the 2nd grade was clearly non-gender conforming. He loved singing songs by female pop stars and would roll his shirt up into a halter top when playing outside. His parents were keenly aware of this and tried everything they could to get him to play sports and do more "boy" things. But it always went nowhere and was clearly a source of conflict between this kid and his parents.
These trans ban laws having nothing to do with protecting girls. Just look who is advocating these laws. Are they pro-choice feminists? No. They are right wing evangelicals who are just taking another shot at the culture wars after losing so badly trying to song to stop same sex marriage.
You are the one who shouldn’t be around kids. If a boy is singing Britney Spears, let him. You don’t need to then tell him he’s meant to be a girl. When you try to diagnose a kid being a kid as something else, that’s when problems start.
Shame on you for perpetuating mental illness.
She is biologically a boy.
Pre puberty -- let her compete on girls teams as her being a boy gives no advantage.
Once older and after puberty -- it becomes unfair to girls to allow biological boys to compete as girls.
This is a matter of fairness.
The media and those pushing the agenda are presenting fairness as being discriminatory.
aztec the moronic wrote:
Do you know what "trans" means?
Not really. Its definition seems to be quite fluid,
Precious Roy wrote:
Free_the_thigh wrote:
Also I seriously doubt any kid could actually come to the conclusion they are “trans” at the age of 11.
Parents are pushing that this 100%.
You obviously do not have children. Kids are who they are and there is not a damn thing parents can do to stop them. A kid in my son's class in the 2nd grade was clearly non-gender conforming. He loved singing songs by female pop stars and would roll his shirt up into a halter top when playing outside. His parents were keenly aware of this and tried everything they could to get him to play sports and do more "boy" things. But it always went nowhere and was clearly a source of conflict between this kid and his parents.
These trans ban laws having nothing to do with protecting girls. Just look who is advocating these laws. Are they pro-choice feminists? No. They are right wing evangelicals who are just taking another shot at the culture wars after losing so badly trying to song to stop same sex marriage.
Funny how Precious advocates for the idea of Nature over Nurture with his belief that kids will behave as they are and parents cannot do anything to stop them, but refuses to acknowledge the natural advantage testosterone confers to an individual born with testes. In regards to competitive sports, there should be a born without testes division and an open division. There has to be restrictions on biologic girls competitive sports in order to protect the whole reason behind the separate divisions in the first place. Individuals are free to compete in the open division, they are free to compete in recreational sports, they are free to compete in coed sports, but the competitive girls / womens division must be kept testes free because of the 7-10% advantage conferred by testosterone.
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