Official Stumptown Twilight Discussion Thread

rojo wrote:

wannabepro25 wrote:

Impressive run from Oregon’s Jack Yearian. He punched his ticket to the Olympic trials with his 3:37 1500m.

Ok. Can we admit the super spikes are crazy? Either that or Ben Thomas is a mid-d GOD?

A redshirt senior that I've barely heard of that ran the 10,000 at the Pac 12 meet a few weeks - the only time he's ever run the pac-12 meet in track during his Oregon career - just ran 3:37?

CONGRATS to him. He's going to the Trials but didn't even make it to NCAAs. Crazy good. Anyone know why he ran the 10k at conference if he was going for the 1500?

That being said. I'm getting less and less impressed by Kessler's 3:34 every minute.

Yerian ran the 10k for team points. He’s not completely irrelevant either as he was a blue chip recruit in hs.

This Schumacher debate is stupid. Centro’s assigned pace should have been 1:51 I guess. Who cares. He’ll recover.

The test of whether Jerry is overtraining his athletes will come at the trials, not two weeks before.

TrackTown wrote:

Funny how everyone seems to agree that the BTC crew is being over trained but I suggest that Centro's 800s tonight were idiotic and unnecessary and everyone thinks I'm crazy. Well, which one is it? Jerry has it perfect for Centro but he's an idiot for overtraining the rest of them?

Schumacher has consistently used a very blunt object for 5k-10k types and above. They tend to be brilliant for a couple years but have a short shelf life. The longer the distance the worse Schumacher gets as there is no craft to the training, just brute force. Flanagan is really the only one who has been good for more than a couple years at 10k and above distances, and many would argue she underperformed in the marathon compared to her track exploits. Yeah I said it. Tegenkamp had relative longevity but was already cooked by the time he moved up. Tim Nelson, Bairu, Derrick, Hastings (Cragg) all examples.

Would imagine that Centrowitz' training, especially when it comes down to getting him ready to run a championship 1500 has a lot of input from the athlete.

list grandmaster wrote:

The difference in direction BTC and brooks beasts have taken the last few weeks have been noteworthy.

Both have one athlete running well and most everyone else running like dogshlt. Difference with BTC is they have some athletes in the middle running ok.

Tracktown is clearly trolling. No one thinks they know that much about training and what people care about with workouts and says the crap he’s saying 😂

rojo wrote:

wannabepro25 wrote:

Impressive run from Oregon’s Jack Yearian. He punched his ticket to the Olympic trials with his 3:37 1500m.

Ok. Can we admit the super spikes are crazy? Either that or Ben Thomas is a mid-d GOD?

A redshirt senior that I've barely heard of that ran the 10,000 at the Pac 12 meet a few weeks - the only time he's ever run the pac-12 meet in track during his Oregon career - just ran 3:37?

CONGRATS to him. He's going to the Trials but didn't even make it to NCAAs. Crazy good. Anyone know why he ran the 10k at conference if he was going for the 1500?

That being said. I'm getting less and less impressed by Kessler's 3:34 every minute.

That you say that about Kessler’s run diminishes my view of you and your perspective on the world of running in a way I never expected. Lots of wisdom and some differing views. But the conspiracy level of obsession with the shoes (I graduated HS in 1976, and shoes since then but before “super shoes” were all super shoes I wished I had had!) and then this sad and pessimistic view of Kessler’s run? Makes me ashamed of you, really. And I was never close. Or you are trolling in your own way. But shame on you. He’s a HS kid! Spoil the party a little? Need some time for reflection?? Who had exceeded all expectations. Kessler is similar to the idea behind the move “Without Limits”--he simply does not know he’s not supposed to be running with top runners so he does it. Supreme talent and a unique psych. He may become the Bolt of distance running. Or not. Either way it is fascinating.

And I would have loved the shoes you ran in competitively vs what I had in HS or college. No engines like those snuck into bike racing. Energy return. But likely a huge part of it is placebo effect. Which is why copycat shoes from other companies don’t seem to work as well perhaps? And maybe you can’t draw conclusions as you claim to (correlation is not causation said my stats prof) in a unique year, pandemic, less racing but better base training and then speed training built atop that, delayed run up to Olympics, everyone missing competition so much they came back with gusto, etc.

Honestly, though, Kessler’s running is truly impressive. No need to go into the less and less downward spiral. We would all love to coach a kid like that. And I know people who know him and say he is a great kid. Lay off the naysaying and trolling please. Until the super shoes blather I never felt anything but affection for LR and your work for it. I am "less and less impressed by the site" lately in fact.

proof engles was not in the video results during 5000-

https://youtu.be/UIDJKuCqYYk

This is an impressive workout, 3x800 at or faster than 1500m pr pace, except the last one, which is still faster than his mile pr pace. It suggests he's a bit off his 2016 form still but he's getting there and should be the favorite at trials. Good to see Engels back in excellent form as well, along with others, so it should be a good competition. Brazier should jump in.

rojo wrote:

wannabepro25 wrote:

Impressive run from Oregon’s Jack Yearian. He punched his ticket to the Olympic trials with his 3:37 1500m.

Ok. Can we admit the super spikes are crazy? Either that or Ben Thomas is a mid-d GOD?

A redshirt senior that I've barely heard of that ran the 10,000 at the Pac 12 meet a few weeks - the only time he's ever run the pac-12 meet in track during his Oregon career - just ran 3:37?

CONGRATS to him. He's going to the Trials but didn't even make it to NCAAs. Crazy good. Anyone know why he ran the 10k at conference if he was going for the 1500?

That being said. I'm getting less and less impressed by Kessler's 3:34 every minute.

Enough with the super spikes damn

zcxvzxcv wrote:

This is an impressive workout, 3x800 at or faster than 1500m pr pace, except the last one, which is still faster than his mile pr pace. It suggests he's a bit off his 2016 form still but he's getting there and should be the favorite at trials. Good to see Engels back in excellent form as well, along with others, so it should be a good competition. Brazier should jump in.

Brazier has enough on his plate with the 800 in 2021.

....And he has not shown enough aerobic strength in his only 2021 1500 to prove he'd even be relevant at it at this point this year.

Also it's quite clear that the 800 is going to be contested at a much higher level in regards to his competitors than

2019 and 2020 were and he's also showing a bit less dominance in his 800s this year, especially his race last weekend.

Besides, Brazier in the 1500 at OTs and Olys would require significantly more MPW to get the strength required to get through the heats in each 800 & 1500 with tight schedules. Last time Brazier moved up in milaege was 2016 following A&M and 16/17 were disasters for him with high mileage training.

The load destroyed Murphy when he almost doubled in 2017 just reaching his top form ever in each event and he's quite a bit more strength based than Brazier.

Brazier in the 15 ain't happening

Emily Infeld beat her fiance Maxwell Randolph in the 5000m (women's elite vs men's open) 15:14 vs 15:19.