You are right. I didn't see that. How does that work exactly? How would the spectators actually generate the messaging?
You are right. I didn't see that. How does that work exactly? How would the spectators actually generate the messaging?
800 dude wrote:
Personally, I don't really understand why people think they need a watch that can summon emergency services via LTE. What do you think is going to happen to you?
Now, I get that if you're trail running in the backcountry, it makes a lot of sense to have a satellite communicator like inReach. You could take a spill and be unable to get back to civilization. But most places where you have LTE, you're going to be around other people. If you are injured so badly that you can't walk, you can flag down someone.
Just this morning I ran a point-to-point route with 2 of my kids to Dunkin Donuts - Garmin, Garmin, Apple watch, and old one with no cell function. We stood around waiting on 3rd kid wondering if she over-slept, misunderstood the plan, etc.
The other big one for me is injuries. I had a recurring calf-strain a few years ago and had to limp home a few miles once. I often carry my phone on long runs and have had to call my wife to come pick up one of the kids for an injury, the most recent was a year ago when one tripped and got skinned up several miles from home. These issues were all on suburban paved bike/run trails, surprisingly few people go by, and most don't have a cell either.
I'm no Apple Watch fan but my next running watch will need cell service.
This feature does not seem to require an attached phone.
highhoppingworm wrote:
You are right. I didn't see that. How does that work exactly? How would the spectators actually generate the messaging?
Wouldn't the spectators generate the message on their phone, and send it to the LTE enabled watch?
Imagine the Strava workout heroes sending Live updates of their huge workouts, getting immediate feedback from their fans? A certain youtuber may eat that up.
Maybe I am just illiterate with the how cell enabled smart watches work these days but I am not familiar with how a phone could text message an LTE enabled watch. There is no phone number etc. and it would be out of bluetooth range on your phone.
800 dude wrote:
Personally, I don't really understand why people think they need a watch that can summon emergency services via LTE. What do you think is going to happen to you?
Now, I get that if you're trail running in the backcountry, it makes a lot of sense to have a satellite communicator like inReach. You could take a spill and be unable to get back to civilization. But most places where you have LTE, you're going to be around other people. If you are injured so badly that you can't walk, you can flag down someone.
I don't live in a big city. Most of my runs are on country roads. Sometimes on a Sunday I may see 5 or 6 cars for the whole run.
I always run against traffic and move way off to the shoulder/grass when a car comes past but there is always the fear that one of these days some distracted driver on their cell phone is going to run me over... you'd like to hope that if this happened they'd stop and help but there's a lot of hit and runs... Even some everyday normal nice people panic and do the wrong this in a pressure situation.
The other thing is injury. Are people really going to stop if some sweating runner starts waving them down? Some may but most won't... may be even less likely in a city then in the country as the thought would be, "I'm busy and I'm sure someone else will help."
These are my views as a male runner... for female runners there are even more reasons why you'd want text or voice calls.
highhoppingworm wrote:
You are right. I didn't see that. How does that work exactly? How would the spectators actually generate the messaging?
The messaging works through the Live Event Sharing feature. So when the runner starts their race a link to the activity is sent to the email of everybody who is set to follow along just like the current/previous event sharing worked.
With the new service when the person following the event follows the link to the event they will have an option to send a text or voice message to the runner from the tracking webpage if the person who started the event has the LTE enabled watch.
So the person who’s following along needs something with a browser to see the tracking page but it doesn’t have to be a phone since they’re not send an SMS message, but rather a text message that’s send from a webpage to an LTE connected watch.
So since it is coming from a webpage, does that give the one wearing the LTE watch the ability to have, in essence, a unique address to receive messages from, onto their watch? For instance, say a youtuber is running an ultra-race, and new channel-subscribers, are allowed to send him messages during that race. He could then setup another unique address so that those same subscribers are not allowed to send him another message in the next race (unless, for example they were to get a perk and/or pay for that privilege)?
Can you imagine actually believing people care enough to be excited about following along your breadcrumb trail for a race you're in? The only ones that really care will be at the race.
Sounds like a fair number of people need to just use a treadmill, preferably placed in the ER of the hospital "just in case".
Thank you. Super helpful.
MrImportantPants wrote:
Can you imagine actually believing people care enough to be excited about following along your breadcrumb trail for a race you're in? The only ones that really care will be at the race.
Sounds like a fair number of people need to just use a treadmill, preferably placed in the ER of the hospital "just in case".
Your hyperbole would be funny if you didn't sound lonely and isolated. Totally understandable post-covid. You should make friends, reach out to family.
This is an extremely retarded post.
Literally anything can happen to you while you are out running.
Do you not pay attention to the news? Plenty of cases of runners getting assaulted reported all the time.
Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:
So since it is coming from a webpage, does that give the one wearing the LTE watch the ability to have, in essence, a unique address to receive messages from, onto their watch? For instance, say a youtuber is running an ultra-race, and new channel-subscribers, are allowed to send him messages during that race. He could then setup another unique address so that those same subscribers are not allowed to send him another message in the next race (unless, for example they were to get a perk and/or pay for that privilege)?
The web page is created dynamically for each Live Tracking event you start so the messaging will by default be event specific. In the scenario you’re describing the youTuber would have to get email addresses from the viewers who won/asked for/paid for prior to the event and they would get the link in their inbox at the start of the event.
It’s really no different in those terms than the current Live Event feature it’s just that now one-way messages can be sent to watches that have LTE.
whhaaat wrote:
This is an extremely retarded post.
Literally anything can happen to you while you are out running.
Do you not pay attention to the news? Plenty of cases of runners getting assaulted reported all the time.
I'm not here to argue about someone's personal risk tolerance, but I've been running over 10 miles/day for 18 or so years, and I've never had an emergency while running. I don't even know anyone who's ever had an emergency while running. I have a hard time even imagining what kind of emergency could plausibly happen to me while running. When I started running, nobody took phones with them (they took ipods), and people didn't seem to think that going out in public without a phone was particularly dangerous.
Another poster said something about doing a lot of runs on rural roads, and I can see the concern there, where cars are present but rare. I run mostly on urban and suburban trails, with a bit of sidewalk until I get to the trail. If I get hit crossing an intersection, people are almost certainly going to see it.
As for runners getting assaulted, it happens, but it's super rare (hence why it's in the news), and it seems pretty unlikely that having an LTE enabled watch would be particularly helpful. After all, most of those runners probably had phones. Assaults happen in seconds, and you either get away or you don't. The only time an LTE watch or phone would likely be useful is if someone is following you for an extended period of time, and you're aware of it.
ummmmmmmm wrote:
The other thing is injury. Are people really going to stop if some sweating runner starts waving them down? Some may but most won't... may be even less likely in a city then in the country as the thought would be, "I'm busy and I'm sure someone else will help."
I've never flagged someone down for an injury, but I've flagged people down for directions more times than I can count. I've literally never had someone not stop. A sweaty runner is gross, but not threatening. Even if there are some carjackers who also enjoy fitness running, they probably don't combine the two activities.
Anyway, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with having a little peace of mind about very small risks. I'm just saying that for most people, the risks of going for a run are sooooo tiny. And I say this as someone who is fairly risk averse. I own an AED, I always carry avalanche gear in the backcountry, and I only buy cars with great crash ratings.
I agree with you 800 dude. More importantly... if you have this level of risk aversion then just carry a phone! It is only useful to me because my wife is frequently pinging me asking where I am when my kids happen to wake up before I get home. This would answer the question for her.
highhoppingworm wrote:
I agree with you 800 dude. More importantly... if you have this level of risk aversion then just carry a phone! It is only useful to me because my wife is frequently pinging me asking where I am when my kids happen to wake up before I get home. This would answer the question for her.
I charge my phone when I run. It's usually dead from using it all day. It's also very bulky.
I have the cash to spend on a new watch. My old one is toast from 15 thousand miles and 5 years of daily wear and tear. I need a new watch, and I've been holding out for livetrack built into a watch. Yes, it's a luxury. Obviously it's not a necessity. No GPS watch is a necessity. People trained for generations with no GPS.
It's a very useful luxury for me.
If you don't find the features useful, don't buy it. It isn't for you. The watch is probably most useful for triathletes who are out for 5 or 6 hour rides and family and friends want to check on them in real time. Once again, not a necessity, but a very cool feature.
The ultimate narcissist's watch.
FYI: People don't track you. You're a hobby jogger. They really don't care as much about your running as you think they do.
The only reason they ever click like on your Garmin or Strava posts is so that you'll like their posts back. They really don't care about your running. It's a vicious narcissistic circle. Just run because you enjoy it.
800 dude wrote:
[quote]ummmmmmmm wrote:
Anyway, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with having a little peace of mind about very small risks. I'm just saying that for most people, the risks of going for a run are sooooo tiny. And I say this as someone who is fairly risk averse. I own an AED, I always carry avalanche gear in the backcountry, and I only buy cars with great crash ratings.
I mostly agree... I used to run with an apple watch (before switching to Garmin because the apple watch was okay for a general smart watch sucked as a running watch which was all I used it for) but didn't shell out the extra money and the month fee for the LTE version then.
However, in the back of my mind I think that maybe it would be smart if I did though... yes, I agree the risk is small but the cost isn't really that much either and I can afford it. I mean, runners and bikers do get hit by cars some times... I don't personally know anyone but it has happened to some local runners in my area. A couple years back a couple bikers got killed on one of the country roads I run on during a bike race by a distracted driver...
Mostly though it would benefit my wife more than me... she's the one who is really worried about me getting hit by a car, especially when I'm out on long runs and off the grid for a couple hours at a time. I could see it being a benefit for her... plus she could text me a honey do list while I was running ;)