NICK BARE running LEADVILLE 100 ultra

te5n1k wrote:

it is kind of funny to see the leadville/ultra vets with such strong doubt. he put in the training and had resources unmatched by even the top professionals at his disposal. a significant injury wouldve been the only way he didnt finish.

To be fair, it's ignorant to say the only way someone wouldn't finish a 100-miler is a significant injury. People DNF for a lot more reasons than breaking their leg...

that was a nod to his preparation (training, lifting, nutrition, mental toughness). of course people run into all kinds of obstacles out there, but with his support team and nutrition dialed, it seemed likely that (barring a serious injury) he would be able to walk it in.

BuyTheDip wrote:

81611 wrote:

[quote]tim roth wrote:I'd give 3:1 odds that he DNFs

I would be interested in the other side of this bet for a friendly wager assuming that he starts the race.

Well well, he made it, made it under 30 and I lose.

Color my impressed by Nick's ability to deliver, despite going out hard for the first 40mi

Nick finished in respectable 27:53:05 after a 4:23 death march from May Queen. I guess , he knew he would finish and his body was pretty trashed at that point.

Great result for a rookie over the 100 mile distance. I didn't expect he would finish but I was wrong. ( Not the first time)

This will piss people off but, Bare is inspiring to a great many people and, I will say it, probably converts more people to running than any pros do.

Supplements, drugs, money...yeah, yeah. That stuff only matters on LRC. To regular people, they see a traditionally masculine guy with a successful business and a very muscular build doing what they consider herculean feats. This is far more impressive to average citizens than some ectomorphs that do nothing but run and take naps. In fact, Bare is far more palatable to them than that Dwight Schrute acting weirdo in the office constantly prattling on about his Boston qualifier. If Bare ever signed an influencer shoe deal, he would move more units than the entire Bowerman Track Club.

Hats off to Nick. Leadville is not an easy feat by any stretch and he should be respected for having the guts to do it and in such a public manner.

Totally agree.

It helps do away with the "you have to be skinny to run an ultra" mantra and will hopefully inspire others to get fit.

Am not naive I think its unlikely he built that physique without some "help" especially when you look into it in a bit more detail as I have.

But you are not telling me it doesn't take huge amounts of commitment and training to finish and that big upper body did not help him achieve this infact it made it more difficult.

Let the haters hate.

I have nothing but respect for his achievement.

I get that it's at altitude, and I get you gain and lose a lot of elevation, but he averaged 3.57mph, is that really running? To me it's not, that's how fast I go on long hikes.

Long Time Reader wrote:

I get that it's at altitude, and I get you gain and lose a lot of elevation, but he averaged 3.57mph, is that really running? To me it's not, that's how fast I go on long hikes.

You are not hiking 3.57 mph for much longer than 2 hours. You are kidding yourself.

In 24 hour races on roads at sea level you might can hold 3.5 mph for a couple of hours but not for that long unless you are a race walker.

Also keep in mind that probably 45min -1 hour is lost at aid stations.

Leadville finisher wrote:

Long Time Reader wrote:

I get that it's at altitude, and I get you gain and lose a lot of elevation, but he averaged 3.57mph, is that really running? To me it's not, that's how fast I go on long hikes.

You are not hiking 3.57 mph for much longer than 2 hours. You are kidding yourself.

In 24 hour races on roads at sea level you might can hold 3.5 mph for a couple of hours but not for that long unless you are a race walker.

Also keep in mind that probably 45min -1 hour is lost at aid stations.

1 hour cumulatively at the aid stations? Ok so he averaged 3.7mph for ~26 hours. It's still walking pace... for 26 hours.

For some, even the elites (ie not Nick Bare lol) it is usually more efficient to walk or fast hike certain sections, especially if the race is at altitude. Look at PPA. A very respectable time for a man is sub 2:30. If he is altitude trained, this will be faster than his road marathon. If not, it will probably slow him down 10-15 minutes. Half the race for Ascent is basically at a speed that averages out to a brisk walk, but in reality it is a combination of slower running, and fast hiking (if needed), with the other half being "runnable" (sub 9-10 minute mile pace).

Also, regarding mountain races, conditions can be just as important in affecting the race as a road marathon, if not more so. For example, Joseph Gray won the Ascent in 2:12 and change, but Seth DeMoor ran 2:06 *enroute* to his marathon win. I am not saying Joseph ran a better performance factoring in the weather (6-7 minutes is a HUGE difference) but the weather up there can cause problems.

Long Time Reader wrote:

Leadville finisher wrote:

You are not hiking 3.57 mph for much longer than 2 hours. You are kidding yourself.

In 24 hour races on roads at sea level you might can hold 3.5 mph for a couple of hours but not for that long unless you are a race walker.

Also keep in mind that probably 45min -1 hour is lost at aid stations.

1 hour cumulatively at the aid stations? Ok so he averaged 3.7mph for ~26 hours. It's still walking pace... for 26 hours.

Well, Long time reader hike Leadville 100 then.

Everybody else is running big parts of it, except the uphills. Which you have to hike up with 3.7 mph as well. Good luck on Hope Pass with that. As usual, ultrarunning looks a lot easier on paper than it actually is.

I get that walking (or fast hiking) is part of it (it is 100 miles afterall!), and I have tons of respect for people who finish near the front. But to say Nick ran the race is a bit of a stretch in my opinion when his average pace is that of me walking, in other words he walked far more than he "ran".

And by the way I've lived up at Lake Tahoe for the past 30 years, I know elevation and mountains lol

Long Time Reader wrote:

And by the way I've lived up at Lake Tahoe for the past 30 years, I know elevation and mountains lol

You are not hiking 3.7 mph around Lake Tahoe. Probably not even for one hour.

Please post your hikes on strava so we can follow up ;-)

You're right, I only average 8000 miles cycling (road, mtb, cross/gravel) and 1000 running around these parts every year. Not interested is sharing my personal Strava page with some internet randos who glorify this Nick Bare fellow.

What are you talking about? All he did was show why so many ultra runners are chubby dudes. You don’t have to be skinny to walk far, only if you want to run fast. If you’re heavy, with either fat or muscle, ultra’s are the sport for you. Nick bare just proved that 100%.

Long Time Reader wrote:

You're right, I only average 8000 miles cycling (road, mtb, cross/gravel) and 1000 running around these parts every year. Not interested is sharing my personal Strava page with some internet randos who glorify this Nick Bare fellow.

I think you are glorifying your hiking abilities.

You come off like a typical cheese dick without a clue. You probably have trouble "hiking" to the fridge to get your beer.