Official Doha DL discussion thread

Crampy wrote:

There's also her 200m in Ostrava, which was less impressive than in Gainesville with a much smaller margin of victory over Okagbare.

Gateshead was SAFP's 100m opener - she's known to start the season slowly. Richardson was far more race sharp and should have walked it based on her early season form. She wasn't struggling with those conditions any more than SAFP or Ta Lou.

The other are getting faster whereas Richardson is not.

You're sniffing lead paint i see.

Her 200m in Ostrava was very impressive. She was at 85% and STILL put Okagbare away in chilly conditions.

Fraser Pryce, Richardson and most of the field threw the Gateshead race. Dina was the only one turnt up so to speak. So it matters for nothing in the grand scheme.

Richardson was race SMART and acquitted herself quite well for her first international races. The Olympic trials and Olympics will be sensational

Fraser Pryce blasting people out the blocks worked well for those who didnt have an answer, but it wont work in Tokyo when it matters against Richardson and low key you know this.

Its ok to feel threatened.

85%? Where do you people pluck these numbers from?

You know what really happened in Ostrava? Richardson ran slower than she did a month prior, which was also run in unfavourable conditions by her own words. She was 0.55 ahead of Okagbare in April yet only 0.24 ahead in Ostrava. Which of the two do you think made more progress? Let me guess, Okagbare simply handled the conditions better than Richardson did?

People said the same about Jeter, Stewart, Thompson, etc. Jeter had run 10.6 twice and still had a losing head to head against SAFP both in and out of major championships. Yet someone that has yet to run faster than SAFP or Thompson's PB, and has yet to win anything of value, is supposedly threatening.

People were saying similar in 2019 after her 10.75 - how did that turn out?

Jeter ran 10.6 after the champs she was running 10.8 all year long and peaked to late.

Shacarri was in college and her training program wasn't made to perform at the world championships, plus 10.75 wouldn't have won anyway.

I think shacarri is dangerous because she has 10.6 potential and I don't think she's reached her peak.Its unusual to peak in two months of racing, even college kids that peak in april have been racing since January.

Crampy wrote:

85%? Where do you people pluck these numbers from?

You know what really happened in Ostrava? Richardson ran slower than she did a month prior, which was also run in unfavourable conditions by her own words. She was 0.55 ahead of Okagbare in April yet only 0.24 ahead in Ostrava. Which of the two do you think made more progress? Let me guess, Okagbare simply handled the conditions better than Richardson did?

People said the same about Jeter, Stewart, Thompson, etc. Jeter had run 10.6 twice and still had a losing head to head against SAFP both in and out of major championships. Yet someone that has yet to run faster than SAFP or Thompson's PB, and has yet to win anything of value, is supposedly threatening.

People were saying similar in 2019 after her 10.75 - how did that turn out?

I see you're interested in doctored narratives more than truth, must be the paint.

Ostrava was a great race for her actually. A 22.35 into a headwind in COLD CONDITIONS and not at full tilt(i.e. "85%") is promising;. NO SANE SPRITNER is risking an injury running ALL OUT in cold conditions, except for Northeast Dina of course. I really thought Dina was smarter than that....

To focus on winning margins between two random races A MONTH apart and measure progress from that is nonsensical. You might have had an actual point if it were an Ostrava to Gateshead to Doha comparison a la Degrasse vs Bednarek for example.

Comparing her to Jeter is just plain stupid. Richardson and Jeter are two entirely different sprinter with entirely different career arcs, with 2021 being Richardson's first full pro season in a championship year.

To bring 2019 into this just shows how much you're grasping for straws.

It's a go-to much like the largely debunked Eugene wind tunnel rhetoric ( that I'm sure you'll deploy after the Olympic trials like kneejerk clockwork)

(Nonethless, once upon a time in 2008 a certain 21 year old lady absolutely with no resume on the big stage took the 100m world by storm at the Beijing Olympics, despite some of her own countrymen playing down her chances of Olympic glory....)

You lot can understand when Jamaican kids wear themselves out at champs and aren't viable for CARIFTA or the U20 or U18, but can't grasp when a college freshman who had been racing a ton since that January, isn't viable for the US championships in July. It must be the paint.

Just say you're rooting against Sha'Carri and go.

surveysays wrote:

btw by the way wrote:

Strange. Pretty sure I just followed the sport that I follow. Yeah, there was no difference.

You literally said you’d never heard of some of the biggest names in the sport, so you’re not fooling anyone.

I don't get it. Some of the biggest names in the sport? What sport? Can you tell me where most of those names are in 800-10000m races? Are you saying running? so if its anything to do with running I need to know what the top triahletes names are? I need to know every top ultramaratoner? I need to know every top mountain racer? I need to know every top soccer player?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

btw by the way wrote: If you had any knowledge of running ...

btw by the way wrote:

I don;t know a lot of these names. I don't watch womens events much and don't watch much under 800m.

There seems to be a bit of a discrepancy.

See above since you seem confused.

btw by the way wrote:

surveysays wrote:

You literally said you’d never heard of some of the biggest names in the sport, so you’re not fooling anyone.

I don't get it. Some of the biggest names in the sport? What sport? Can you tell me where most of those names are in 800-10000m races? Are you saying running? so if its anything to do with running I need to know what the top triahletes names are? I need to know every top ultramaratoner? I need to know every top mountain racer? I need to know every top soccer player?

The sport is track and field, not triathlon or mountain walking, and you openly admitted to not knowing some of its biggest stars, so you admitted that you don’t follow track and field. John Wesley Harding nailed it with his response.

surveysays wrote:

btw by the way wrote:

I don't get it. Some of the biggest names in the sport? What sport? Can you tell me where most of those names are in 800-10000m races? Are you saying running? so if its anything to do with running I need to know what the top triahletes names are? I need to know every top ultramaratoner? I need to know every top mountain racer? I need to know every top soccer player?

The sport is track and field, not triathlon or mountain walking, and you openly admitted to not knowing some of its biggest stars, so you admitted that you don’t follow track and field. John Wesley Harding nailed it with his response.

Why are you so confused? I clearly stated I follow the sport of 800-10000 meter running. Did you know they're all separate events/sports?

So track and field? So clearly you know who is the WL in womens discus at the moment without googling? Right.

Here’s how it goes for some sprinters: you start up, and soon run out of your mind. Because you are still a ways out from the major and in training, you get excited at what you think you will be able to do “when really ready and rested”.

So what do you do? You put the pedal to the metal and train even harder because you’re jacked, which takes it out of you. A coach has to be very careful about this situation. You can still have another peak but it will be later, because now you have delayed that rested taper.

On what she has shown, SCR is 10.6-capable atm. This is pretty much inarguable. The 2 questions are can she sustain this capability until Tokyo, and can she unleash it someplace other than her home track.

I think that running home after Gateshead may have been a mistake. Go to Doha, run smart and easy, and get some redemption in your own mind. Learn to center during travel with distractions. One-and-done, when that one really wasn’t great and required serious effort, is a downer. SAFP (continuing over there, and improving) and ET (staying calm at home) are each playing it differently, but IMO both ways are smarter than what SCR did.

When you’re as “hot” as she is, you need to take your foot off the gas and cruise a bit. A bit of travel and easy competitions can do this, and blunt her ability to really hit it hard, like if she stayed in tight training.

IMO she needs to learn to travel and perform, more than she needs to train to try to be 10.5-capable.

IDK where she goes from here, after they have already “screwed up”. I hope she’s ready in Tokyo.

IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO😁

btw by the way wrote:

surveysays wrote:

The sport is track and field, not triathlon or mountain walking, and you openly admitted to not knowing some of its biggest stars, so you admitted that you don’t follow track and field. John Wesley Harding nailed it with his response.

Why are you so confused? I clearly stated I follow the sport of 800-10000 meter running. Did you know they're all separate events/sports?

So track and field? So clearly you know who is the WL in womens discus at the moment without googling? Right.

They aren’t separate sports. The women’s world leader in discuss isn’t a star of the sport. SAFP, Norman and Benjamin are. Get it?

surveysays wrote:

btw by the way wrote:

Why are you so confused? I clearly stated I follow the sport of 800-10000 meter running. Did you know they're all separate events/sports?

So track and field? So clearly you know who is the WL in womens discus at the moment without googling? Right.

They aren’t separate sports. The women’s world leader in discuss isn’t a star of the sport. SAFP, Norman and Benjamin are. Get it?

Oh? I didn't realize they all hold hands together and run and jump in unison?

Oh? If you're such a fan of track and field then you would at least know how to spell discus. Certainly you should know all the big discus names by heart.

The women's world leader in discus may be a star of the sport to some in some places. Just like these people you're pushing. I don't care about them. Get it?

3 Moroccans ranking in third position in 1500m (Men), 800m (men) and 800m (Women).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2kLC9VXwAEy7AC?format=jpg&name=medium

We all start little by little...

I remember reading long ago an article which stated:

It's how the breeze Aouita turned into a storm in the years 80s.

Hope these new runners and the Federation take example.

I'm trying hard to make this as simple as possible yet you're just not getting it. I'd love to know how much effort everyone in Gateshead and Ostrava was putting in, in percentage form of course. I'm guessing Okagbare was just trying harder in Ostrava relative to Gainesville compared to Richardson... just cause?

And such a shame that Dina Asher-Smith, world 200m champion, isn't living up to the expectations of a simple, deluded clown on a message board. Maybe she should replicate the decisions of someone who has yet to win anything of relevance. Lmao.

This is perhaps the dumbest thing you've posted, which is really saying something. Do you not understand how comparisons work? Richardson isn't running any faster than what we've seen from the likes of Jeter or Stewart, who have both run 10.7 prior to major championships, and she clearly looked much worse in Gateshead compared to early season to anyone who didn't ride the shortbus to school.

You've made that joke already and it wasn't funny the first time.

The list of athletes peaking at the wrong time is a very long one. Jeter is an example but there are plenty others. Richardson looked gassed in Gateshead compared to every other race this year and that's why she was called home. Had she ran away from the field like she was supposed to, we would have seen her in Doha.

They need to adjust the schedule so athletes like Norman and Miller Uibo can double. Norman right now would be the favorite to win gold if not silver in the 200m. Hell he should go for the 100/400 double. Has that ever been done? With coleman out he could definitley win the 100 as well. He has always looked better than Lyles in the first 100. I know Lyles wants that 100m glory but it isn’t happening this year.

It’s a shame tho. Norman could be one of the best to ever do it. If Lyles is in 2019’form then he’d take silver in the 200. This year I think he’d smash everyone. He’d have an easier time finishing top two in the 200m than he does at the 400m. Just because of the strengths of the 400m runners right now. He has an outside shot at a wr record in the 400 which he definitely doesn’t have in the 200.

Same could be said to a lesser extent for Kenny B. He should be a 400/200 man as well. They moved the schedule for Johnson. They can do it again.

So was SAFP gassed then too? Cause she just ran 10.8.

I’m a big SAFP fan but she’s always been on as much gas as anyone. She’s running just as well as she did ten years ago. And she’s just as ripped. As apposed to someone like Felix who just can’t get as shredded as she used to. No doubt in my mind if Felix was a cheater shed still be able to do damage on the 200/400.

Gassed as in burnt out/exhausted. I have no interest in making baseless doping accusations, although not being shredded is a terrible reason to assume someone isn't doping - Felix is just as likely to be doing it as anyone else (and looks the same as she did 10 years ago too).