He faded hard from the lead to fourth over the final quarter mile in the HS boost Boston mile. Looked like he kind of gave up. Hopefully he is still healthy. I know he was only aqua jogging for about three weeks or so until a couple weeks ago but still surprised not to see him win this morning.
Fairly unrelated but I was just curious if anyone knew how athletes running in the mile get onto the track. It seems like the track is raised 3-4 feet off the ground, and the mile races start on the road, so do the athletes run up a ramp or something onto the track?
the statistician wrote:
Fairly unrelated but I was just curious if anyone knew how athletes running in the mile get onto the track. It seems like the track is raised 3-4 feet off the ground, and the mile races start on the road, so do the athletes run up a ramp or something onto the track?
Ramp. Can’t find a pic online but it’s a ramp. Not that long actually, somewhat steep
Maybe it's just me but that would really stink to have towards the middle-end of a race. Having to adjust your stride to get up that after running smoothly the entire race must really throw athletes off.
I honestly feel like Harrison may be the most overhyped high school athlete I’ve ever seen. Don’t get me wrong, he’s very fast, for his age. Nothing but respect for the guy, I’m not bashing him, I’m bashing the hype train.
People saying he could go pro next year just makes zero sense to me. He has not ran a single time that suggests he’s close to going pro right now. Dozens of collegiates don’t sniff a contract with 4:0x 1:5low each year. There are multiple high schoolers that are better than Harrison that are getting zero attention.
And it’s not fair to say “but he could go so much faster, he just isn’t trying at any of his races” because he never has run faster.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited to see where his career goes, but he shouldn’t be being hyped as much as he is.
CopperRunner wrote:
I honestly feel like Harrison may be the most overhyped high school athlete I’ve ever seen. Don’t get me wrong, he’s very fast, for his age. Nothing but respect for the guy, I’m not bashing him, I’m bashing the hype train.
People saying he could go pro next year just makes zero sense to me. He has not ran a single time that suggests he’s close to going pro right now. Dozens of collegiates don’t sniff a contract with 4:0x 1:5low each year. There are multiple high schoolers that are better than Harrison that are getting zero attention.
And it’s not fair to say “but he could go so much faster, he just isn’t trying at any of his races” because he never has run faster.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited to see where his career goes, but he shouldn’t be being hyped as much as he is.
In August, it was feasible to think he could pro in 2022. He ran 4:01 as a sophomore - if he had run sub 4 as a JR this season the hype train would have kept rolling and he could have gotten a Drew Hunter type deal. Injury seems to have derailed that. Doesn't seem likely now -- but we'll see.
the statistician wrote:
Fairly unrelated but I was just curious if anyone knew how athletes running in the mile get onto the track. It seems like the track is raised 3-4 feet off the ground, and the mile races start on the road, so do the athletes run up a ramp or something onto the track?
where is the race vid? I've only been able to find the sprint races so far
typical tinman fashion, peak at a very young age then riddled with injuries for the rest of the career.
truth here wrote:
typical tinman fashion, peak at a very young age then riddled with injuries for the rest of the career.
This has got to be one o the dumbest post I've ever read in letsrun history. There are so many people jealous of Tinman and any successful coach, they get on here and just cant' help themselves.
Last time I checked Drew Hunter fired Tinman a long time ago. Guess what? Hunter is AWOL and injured with his new coach. Ritzenhein had like 5 coaches - he was injuerd with all of them.
Here are my thoughts
1) Runners are largely inherently injunry prone or not
2) Tinman's philosophy is pretty much the opposite of one that would lead to a lot of injuries.
3) All runners get injured at some point
4) I think Harrison being injured is good for him.
I've always thought it's good for a talented HSer to geta minor. Why? Then they don't take health for granted. They don't realize your #1 goal every year needs to be this - stay healthy. They don't also realize rule #3 is a fact.
The bigger surprise me today from the HS race was in the boys 100.
Jaylen Slade who 3 weeks ago ran 10.04 (+2.1) was only 3rd in the HS boys 100 i 10.47 (-1.2). I was upset that Slade wasn't in the pro 100.
In his last video Harrison says he injured himself playing catch with a football while wearing flip flops.
The mile races were completely on the road. Half mile out, 180 turn, half mile back.
Mile videos are on runnerspace.
You call my post idiotic then proceed to say it's good when a high school athlete gets injured?
I said Tinman athletes are always injured and struggle to develop long term. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY DREW HUNTER FIRED HIM.
From Drew Hunter's statement on firing Tinman: It became clear to the team that Coach Schwartz’s growing commercial coaching business and other pursuits made him unable to provide the individualized attention that the team needed in order tostay healthy and succeed long term.
ljfkewt wrote:
CopperRunner wrote:
I honestly feel like Harrison may be the most overhyped high school athlete I’ve ever seen. Don’t get me wrong, he’s very fast, for his age. Nothing but respect for the guy, I’m not bashing him, I’m bashing the hype train.
People saying he could go pro next year just makes zero sense to me. He has not ran a single time that suggests he’s close to going pro right now. Dozens of collegiates don’t sniff a contract with 4:0x 1:5low each year. There are multiple high schoolers that are better than Harrison that are getting zero attention.
And it’s not fair to say “but he could go so much faster, he just isn’t trying at any of his races” because he never has run faster.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited to see where his career goes, but he shouldn’t be being hyped as much as he is.
In August, it was feasible to think he could pro in 2022. He ran 4:01 as a sophomore - if he had run sub 4 as a JR this season the hype train would have kept rolling and he could have gotten a Drew Hunter type deal. Injury seems to have derailed that. Doesn't seem likely now -- but we'll see.
A while back people were hyping his 1st mile race this season. I was doubting he was a "generational talent" and thinking more of a "talented and highly trained high schooler with ideal resources". People INSISTED he was truly generational, like Rupp or Bekele even--"He RaN 4:01 aS a SoPhOmOrE" and he was going to demolish 4:00 easily this year.
It was probably his friends or youtube supporters because like 3 diff people had to bring up his sophomore record like nobody knew about it.
Point is, 4:01 is a tired talking point and he is clearly not some freak, but rather a guy bumping against his ceiling. He's not going to be the generational talent those people though he was. Time will prove me right (or wrong).
truth here wrote:
You call my post idiotic then proceed to say it's good when a high school athlete gets injured?
I said Tinman athletes are always injured and struggle to develop long term. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY DREW HUNTER FIRED HIM.
From Drew Hunter's statement on firing Tinman: It became clear to the team that Coach Schwartz’s growing commercial coaching business and other pursuits made him unable to provide the individualized attention that the team needed in order tostay healthy and succeed long term.
Rojo ignoring a clear pattern with Tinman-coached runners getting hurt isn't surprising.
Very surprising to see him say "getting injured is good". Doo-doo brain take.
Yeah we'll see on him. You can build a narrative about a guy running great at 15/16 who doesn't do great his age 17/18 years but then look at Texas A&M's Brandon Miller. No, I don't think he should go Pro, unless he jumps to 3:54-6 for the mile senior year.
Yeah, Slade certainly overrated. One guy that finished in front of him no one ever hears about. Only because he's the wrong skin type.
Let's give a shout out to the winner Ethan Strand (because if you ain't first, you're last)
Bookmark this kid
VHHS wrote:
Let's give a shout out to the winner Ethan Strand (because if you ain't first, you're last)
Bookmark this kid
Yeah, but let's not give a shout out to the kid that finished in almost the identical time as Strand. Yeah.
The organizers moved the morning races to a nearby community (Watertown) to discourage spectators. Probably wasn't necessary but that what they did. Found this out by talking with an Adidas rep. My guess the course went somewhere along the Charles River. Just simple flat road races no raised track I would think.
He talks about his injury at the start of this video:
truth here wrote:
It became clear to the team that Coach Schwartz’s growing commercial coaching business and other pursuits made him unable to provide the individualized attention that the team needed in order tostay healthy and succeed long term.
No. That's what they said -that doesn't mean it's true.
The reality is a coach could easily write up a seasons worth of workouts following his philosophy in a matter of hours. Yes, they ideally would be adjusted and fine tuned as things change but its' not that time intensive. And you think whether they run 800s or 600s is why they get injured?
But if he had more time, he'd give them different workouts that don't injure them? Really? Runners get injured. It's part of the game.
Or does Jerry Schumacher not have enought time? I guess Jerry's been distracted this year and that's why Shelby Houlihan, Lopez Lomong and Coleen Quigley all haven't raced at all this year and why Emily Infeld is always injured.
We're bashing a guy because a HS sophomore got hurt playing flag football and has hit a plateau? Didn't Magness hit a plateaau at 4:02 and never get better despite having Salazar coach him?