deena needed help

I'm too damn lazy to do it myself, but has anyone looked up the actual IAAF/UASTF rule(s)on pacing, particularly in mixed races? Just curious if we are arguing over 'ethics and sportsmanship' or an actual rules violation.

No rules were broken.

http://www.usatf.org/about/rules/2005/2005USATFRules_Article3.pdf

No protest was filed.

This debate is meaningless - and it has gone on for thirteen pages!!

track insider wrote:

No rules were broken.

http://www.usatf.org/about/rules/2005/2005USATFRules_Article3.pdf

No protest was filed.

This debate is meaningless - and it has gone on for thirteen pages!!

Thanks. Kind of my point. I 'unlazied' and looked up the rules, too. Did not see anything related to rules violoation for road racing. Maybe folks are confusing the rules of track and field events, which are a bit different.

Probably has gone on so long because, well, it is linked on the front page of Letsrun and we are all clicking on it! I'll make a side bet with a Hanson's guy that this won't be the last post.

Yes but I have established conclusively that Deena covered the last mile in 7:11.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=1059674&id=1063662#1063730

You just proved my point. Look at the numbers again. She obviously didn't cover 385 yards in 27 seconds. The actual 25.2 mark had to be well over 2:15, not 2:14:14. That's the mistake.

Actually, I take that back. The 25.2 mark must have been wrongly placed, for there is no way that Deena covered the 385 yards from mile 25 in just 27 seconds. So the previous guy (nopester) is right. She covered 25 miles to the finish in an average of 6:15.

All you have to do is look at the photos from trackandfieldphoto.com and see Deena behind a Hanson or her training partner at about 10 different points of the course-particularly the last 5 miles. Pacers should NEVER be in front of the women. Period. They knew the rules and they broke them. There is no way Constantina could file a protest agaist an American without being blackballed from Chicago in the future.

Have to agree with the blacklist idea. This is certainly an "employers market," so to speak, for runners liker Dita.

THERE YOU GO...Constantina would been in trouble with Chicago in the future if she have had file a complain...

I agree. You only have so many paydays a year. If you screw up with either Chicago or London you are f***ed. Bedford and the Pink man are tight and if you are on either of their s*** lists then you are on both. Have you noticed how Ndereba hasn't been in either London or Chicago for a few years? It also changes your contract amounts if they do have you back. Americans don't really notice this because Deena and Meb are probably the only ones that are capable of getting over $50k in appearance money.

Quoting from a previous post:

"All you have to do is look at the photos from trackandfieldphoto.com and see Deena behind a Hanson or her training partner at about 10 different points of the course-particularly the last 5 miles. Pacers should NEVER be in front of the women. Period."

You can also find many photos of Constantina running behind these same guys. For instance:

http://trackandfieldphoto.com/DisplayJpg.php?051009_1356_4947_RLM&next=1&PHPSESSID=8f12dde56b593d677b7b8100b10d1932

http://trackandfieldphoto.com/DisplayJpg.php?051009_1402_0955_RLM&next=1&PHPSESSID=8f12dde56b593d677b7b8100b10d1932

http://trackandfieldphoto.com/DisplayJpg.php?051009_1416_5240_RLM&next=1&PHPSESSID=8f12dde56b593d677b7b8100b10d1932

http://trackandfieldphoto.com/DisplayJpg.php?051009_1419_1370_RLM&next=1&PHPSESSID=8f12dde56b593d677b7b8100b10d1932

This is one of the most pathetic threads to have ever surfaced on Letsrun.com, and considering some of the infamous ditties we've seen around here, that is saying quite a bit.

How about some of you try working on that 2:21 marathon (or half marathon, for that matter) yourselves rather than expending useless energy bickering about something that doesn't affect you and that your opinion does not have the remotest hope of changing?

This is to everybody who thinks Deena cheated the system. I want you to shut up until you break an American record. During the Philly half marathon her pacers fell off with a good portion of race to run. So she latched on to Steve Spence and followed him to an record. Thats smart not cheating.

Excuse me. There was a TV movie on last week documenting the first man under 4 minutes was paced all the way. They even trained for the race that way. So, Sir Roger is a cheater. Virtually every fast track time and world record is set up with pacers who drop out of the race. Lots of spectators along the way were probably telling Deena what her lead was. This is the best woman distance runner in the country, a bronze medalist in the Olympics, and a very classy person for gosh sake. Stop your nitpicking, cheer her on, and help find some more like her so she won't be running solo.

She is the best of USA indeed,but she just did not earned the Chicago race in a fair-play style.

I`m curious if it was on the other way:Constantina getting the help that Deena got,what the media and all you people would say?

I think we could`ve seen a HUGE SCANDAL...making DEENA a victim and Constantina a cheat.

To really understand why there are 13 pages of discussion, you have to put yourself in the shoe of Constantina. Indeed, if Deena was the person 5 seconds back, it would have been 130 pages by now.

as a fellow druggie, i know that Dita has never been clean.

shiprunner, have you watched the race at all? and how would you have felt had Dita and Deena switched places? would you be saying Dita ran the entire race on her own two feet, so she earned it? would you be saying she's a doper? oh, and when you break an american record, then you can tell people to shut up.

There are 13 pages of comment. And there will be many more.

There is a cloud over the race and Denna's performance.

Is there any question on whether male pacing and escorts should be allowed?

If the ladies had female pacers who dropped off because the couldn't hang on, there would have been great drama with two of the best female runners on the planet battling each other without a soul in sight.

There is an intersting term that is used by sports professionals, it's called the field of play...the competition field. Whether its a ball field, football field, track, or a road. Most sports are very clear on who is allowed on the field of play. This includes: athletes, officials, tv crew, photographers. The infield of a track meet is usually cluttered with the greatest population because of the complexity of the events and tv requirements.

When you watch baseball, football, or basketball who do you see on the field. When you watch a track meet, who is actually on the track.

When you watched the Chicago Marathon, what did you see? And is this what the public wants to see?