Hobbs Kessler ran an open 400 on Friday. Guess his time

Lhotse wrote:

just the fakks wrote:

Meh. 50.1 FAT in a race and 50.3 to end a hard just tells me that the alleged 50.3 was probably with a rolling start and generous "coach" timing. (And perhaps a track without a rail.)

Meh to his outkicking the pros in Eugene including Gregorek, Hoppel and Beamish with the fastest last lap in the entire field?

The fact that he's a high school kid outkicking pros is remarkable, so take this comment with that grain of salt, but if yeah I do always feel "meh" when I hear that the person who finished 3rd, 4th, 5th, whatever had the best finishing kick. It means that person went out too slowly, and actually if they'd been up in the lead pack where they belonged, then their kick wouldn't be as great.

just the fakks wrote:

Meh. 50.1 FAT in a race and 50.3 to end a hard just tells me that the alleged 50.3 was probably with a rolling start and generous "coach" timing. (And perhaps a track without a rail.)

I'm sure it was a rolling start, but if he's running a 400 in some random meet it's hard to say if the intensity/adrenaline was there. The rail thing I mean whatever. It's possible Hobbs is just maxed out at 50-second speed, but I'd say it's just an easy to believe that if pushed in a real meet he's faster than his 400 and 800 marks considering his best 1500/miles have been in very intense and favorable conditions to running fast.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

just the fakks wrote:

Meh. 50.1 FAT in a race and 50.3 to end a hard just tells me that the alleged 50.3 was probably with a rolling start and generous "coach" timing. (And perhaps a track without a rail.)

I'm sure it was a rolling start, but if he's running a 400 in some random meet it's hard to say if the intensity/adrenaline was there. The rail thing I mean whatever. It's possible Hobbs is just maxed out at 50-second speed, but I'd say it's just an easy to believe that if pushed in a real meet he's faster than his 400 and 800 marks considering his best 1500/miles have been in very intense and favorable conditions to running fast.

I could see this being accurate. You’ve gotta realize dropping a fast 400m or less during practice is a lot easier to do than a fast 800+.

During my base phase I’d sometimes go straight into a near all out 400m instead of strides at the end of my runs, and I’d hit 55s and 56s, one time a 53, despite only being in 52ish shape at the time. It truly is a different energy system.

I can be very aerobically fatigued and still rip a fast 400m as long as it’s not lactic threshold type fatigue.

So he’s slower than Athing MU?

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I'm sure it was a rolling start, but if he's running a 400 in some random meet it's hard to say if the intensity/adrenaline was there. The rail thing I mean whatever. It's possible Hobbs is just maxed out at 50-second speed, but I'd say it's just an easy to believe that if pushed in a real meet he's faster than his 400 and 800 marks considering his best 1500/miles have been in very intense and favorable conditions to running fast.

I am sure he is faster but we are talking 49 low not 48 low unless he ran some killer workout the day before. And with zero clue how many fast 200s he has been doing.

Very nice speed but pretty much what you expect from every 3 min HS miler.

What grade are you ..sophomore or junior..?

Worth noting Hobbs ran a hills + 800,200,300,400,600,300 workout ~ less than 40 hours before his races, sticking with Nick Willis for every rep except the 600 where he dropped Willis (1:22 for Hobbs).

Not sure how the last rep (300m) went, but I’d bet anything Hobbs ran sub 39

He also ran the 400m against a pretty mediocre field. In a race with 48.xx guys no doubt Hobbs could run between 48.90 and 49.50

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CopperRunner wrote:

I could see this being accurate. You’ve gotta realize dropping a fast 400m or less during practice is a lot easier to do than a fast 800+.

During my base phase I’d sometimes go straight into a near all out 400m instead of strides at the end of my runs, and I’d hit 55s and 56s, one time a 53, despite only being in 52ish shape at the time. It truly is a different energy system.

I can be very aerobically fatigued and still rip a fast 400m as long as it’s not lactic threshold type fatigue.

What grade are you ..sophomore or junior..?

Just got done with my first year of college? Is this supposed to be an insult?

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

spoil3r wrote:

Sorry for ruining the fun but he ran 50.09. Hard to tell if he ran all out or not.

Not much to glean from this or his 800 or even his 3200s to me.

More impressive than this pretty obviously is his allegedly closing a "Michigan" in 50.3. Would like to see if he'll do another more serious effort like his 1500 vs. the pros soon.

He's #4 all time in the 2 mile I'd say that's a pretty decent follow up to being #4 all time in the mile

Can we stop with these “x ran x race. Guess their time” threads? They are so stupid and just get put on the homepage b/c they are click bait

the clear answer wrote:

He's #4 all time in the 2 mile I'd say that's a pretty decent follow up to being #4 all time in the mile

Not saying his 2 mile is a bad mark, but it's not up to the level of a 3:57.66 mile from a qualitative standpoint.

briswiss wrote:

Can we stop with these “x ran x race. Guess their time” threads? They are so stupid and just get put on the homepage b/c they are click bait

If they are click bait then...people click on them. Isnt that the whole point?

beodnight wrote:

So he’s slower than Athing MU?

Yas, kween! Werk, werkk, werk.

little of everything wrote:

a dude with tiny calves wrote:

69.420

Nice.

Been playing too much Wallstreetbets, eh?

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Worth noting Hobbs ran a hills + 800,200,300,400,600,300 workout ~ less than 40 hours before his races, sticking with Nick Willis for every rep except the 600 where he dropped Willis (1:22 for Hobbs).

This is completely accurate, I speak to Ron all the time. The other thing on splits? Ron doesn't give "Daddy splits"

At the end of a Michigan workout, albeit a little less volume on road loops, he put spikes on and ran 50.4, He surely can run under 49.0 and cerianly under 1:49.00

50.09 is not a good time for a miler. Mike Star was a 4:06 miler in high school and ran a 47.5 relay split. My teamate in high school was a 4:16 miler and ran a 50.1 split on a relay the same day he ran 4:16. He's probably capable of a 48 at least. Her ran a 1:49 so the speed is there

His only goal was to win, he dominated if you saw it live. His relay leg later was insane. Fastest of the meet by the looks of it. Don’t look into the time too much

Worth noting he ran the 50.0 from the slow/unseeded heat as he didn’t have a seed time for the 400 and it was a league championship race. So he won from the jv section. I wouldn’t speculate too much on the time, he ran a 1:22 600m to end a long hills + track workout not 40 hours before like another poster said but less than 24 hours before. Call Ronnie and ask. Also worth noting is most Michigan track splits are on a rolling start so apply whatever conversion you see fit there

distancerunningwizard wrote:

50.09 is not a good time for a miler. Mike Star was a 4:06 miler in high school and ran a 47.5 relay split. My teamate in high school was a 4:16 miler and ran a 50.1 split on a relay the same day he ran 4:16. He's probably capable of a 48 at least. Her ran a 1:49 so the speed is there

50.0 during training stages is excellent for a miler.

especially if you're working hard and don't have great technique at the start, and the timer is conservative.

this is why guys like cram have the 49 flat best time or some such, and can absolutely destroy those 49 flat milers.

again

for off distances, you don't look at the PR so much as the film and conditions.